February 20, 2009
Leva action
Heh, seems fellow moronblogger Sean has drawn the ire of a columnist. Mr. Leva, as you'll soon discover, seems to be of the "can't we all just get along" school of columnists, or is he?
Sean, if you remember, pointed out Mr. Leva's contributing fart in the Limbaugh "I hope Obama fails" tempest, our fellow moronblogger noted the endless bile spewed by the left during the Bush years. If you'll remember, Rush then went on to offer up an alternative stimulus plan in a column for the Wall Street Journal. In any case, here's what Leva offers up. Now, what makes things much easier for us is to wade into the comments of the articles he writes, where Leva comments as Stanley Cup (and adds his real name as his sig). Part of one comment stood out to me, so I've decided to cut it to ribbons,
So then you want Rush and his policies to fail? Is that what you're saying? Sounds like it to me, Todd, and, well, shucks, that ain't too nice, now is it? By your standards, it sounds like you want Rush to fail. Of course, you don't have to worry, because Rush, being the stubborn ol' refusing to fail wingnut he is has riled the Marxists, who are now looking to silence him and all of conservative talk radio with a new "Fairness Doctrine". Undoubtedly they'll find some Vichy Republicans like Specter, the numbskulls from Maine, Voinovich, McCain, or his poodle Graham to sell out again to make sure it happens too. Haven't seen you speak out on that...wonder why? You care about the First Amendment, don't you?
Protip Todd, this left v. right, conservative v. liberal argument comes down to the most basic, yet profound questions humanity faces, and that is what is the nature of humanity? From there the governing philosophy usually stems, except in simpletons like Specter, McCain or Graham. Hint Mr. Leva, this is a question we have been struggled with since the earliest moments of human history. The left and right have a profound difference in how view the essence of human nature, and those differences may well be irreconcilable. Of course, as someone with a degree in political science, you should know all that already. *
Todd, do yourself a favor and read some of the pamphlets, editorials and newspapers from some of the earliest American elections. I think you'll be shocked at how nasty they are. Then continue through till you get to today, you'll find brief moments of relative peace, but for the most part, you'll find that same nasty tone you lament in your columns. It's not going anywhere.
Rush's disagreement isn't heartfelt? Says who? You? Who the fuck are you to question Rush's commitment to what is right for the nation? This is a guy who devotes his entire day to keeping people who he believes (correctly) don't have the best interests of the nation in mind away from the levers of power in America.
Isn't Rush doing exactly what you ask of him? Or is it that you just don't like his tone? Todd, this is politics, it is life or death. It is the difference between George Washington and Churchill, Hitler or Kim Jong-il. It is the difference between living free and prosperous and being herded onto cattle cars to be exterminated by the millions. It is bloodsport, and there is no problem with language that reflects that.
Though of course, this is all an exercise in futility, because you, see, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Todd Leva is, I regret to inform you is, oh so clearly, an O-bot. His attempt here in our comments to solidify his "independentness" is his undoing, he links his latest column here, which is yet another bit of lazy "can't we all just get along" pap for the Holland Sentinel. For starters, let's frame this,
Hmm, gee, you mean the Democrats weren't gorging themselves on billions in pork and idiotic social programs? Not to mention downright fascist bullshit like this? Notice Mr. Leva offers no substantive criticism of what the Democrats added to this abortion of a bill, just the tax cuts the GOP added. There's a reason for that. *Oh, guess I should mention this gushing bit of Obama worship now. So we know he's liberal, or at least left leaning now. He may be salvageable, though, there are some positive signs if he decides to move beyond mindless hero worship and quit allowing the media to think for him. You can see where his leftist education and indoctrination kick in here, in part of a comment he makes as Stanley Cup in the comments of the above linked column,
Todd clearly hasn't listened to much of Limbaugh, which is typical of Rush's critics. I started listening to Rush about my senior year of college, just to see what was Rush was about. I expected, well pretty much what Leva lays out, but with me agreeing with most of what Rush said. What surprised me was what a positive, optimistic message that Rush was offering up most days. Yeah, he was cutting Democrats and other assorted liberal vermin to shreds, but Rush always offers a positive, glowing vision for America that very few people are able to articulate to go with it, if you actually spend some time listening to his program.
But what's this? Our O-bot has some doubts,
Question: How the fuck do you gauge "saving 3-4 million jobs?" Let's just say we lost 10 million jobs in 2009, just to make a number up, Obama can claim we would have lost 13 million without Porkulus, but he can't fucking prove it. This is what we call bullshit, and a sooper-smart political scientist like Todd ought to be able to cut right through it. You know better than this, you practically admit as much in this statement, but you can't bring yourself to actually call Dear Leader on his bullshit.
Oh, you more than bought into it, and the problem isn't Congress, don't shift blame, you know better. Besides, Obama came out of that clusterfuck of stupidity called Congress. What makes you think he's any better than the rest, other than his penchant for flowery language (assuming he can see his teleprompter)? Let me ask this, what do you have to say about Mr. Bipartisan Hopenchange, when during a meeting with the GOP leadership he says I won, and here's what I'm doing? Bush let that corpulent murdering fucktard Ted Kennedy write his first major bill, that was a shitload more bipartisan than Porkulus and Obama have been.
Hope and greatness are not going to be delivered to us by the government, we seek them out on our own, during our own personal journies. If you let the government take charge of your future, it will do so, and rest assured, you will not like the end result. Click on the FAIL Britannia category here at doubleplusundead. Crawl back into those archives and look at the soft tyranny taking shape in that once great nation, the soulless stagnation, the dull misery, the pusillaminity, the weakness. Read through those articles and look at how their Nanny State is destroying all the little joys of life in the name of order, and to be able to pay for state-run social programs and health care.
How radical muslims are allowed to say whatever the fuck they want, trash neighborhoods and attack people, yet the Brits try and bar Geert Wilders from entering the country for making a fifteen minute video about Islamic terrorism. How people are disarmed, and thugs run riot on the streets, break into homes, and one can get thrown in jail for daring to fight them off. Or how about banning smoking in pubs, then banning outdoor heaters after pubowners put them out so their patrons won't freeze? How about the former Desert Rat who was denied garbage collection for two weeks for committing the grave crime of putting a ketchup bottle in the wrong recycling bin? We've got tons of these stories from the UK, and there are plenty more we've missed.
Why are we so vicious in our opposition to Obama and the left? That is why, we've witnessed and read about the rise and fall of the USSR, and are now watching the slow, agonizing creep of Marxist authoritarianism and Nanny Statism over Western Europe today. The left is trying to make us walk the same path as Western Europe is now, whether they realize it or not, and are going to bring that nightmare here if we don't stop them. I want no part of it, and they aren't going to drag us into that gaping maw without a fight. Deal with it.
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Sean, if you remember, pointed out Mr. Leva's contributing fart in the Limbaugh "I hope Obama fails" tempest, our fellow moronblogger noted the endless bile spewed by the left during the Bush years. If you'll remember, Rush then went on to offer up an alternative stimulus plan in a column for the Wall Street Journal. In any case, here's what Leva offers up. Now, what makes things much easier for us is to wade into the comments of the articles he writes, where Leva comments as Stanley Cup (and adds his real name as his sig). Part of one comment stood out to me, so I've decided to cut it to ribbons,
But to say he only wants his policies to fail but the generator and man behind those policies to succeed is inconsistent, intellectually dishonest, not to mention impossible. Either they both fail, or both succeed period.
So then you want Rush and his policies to fail? Is that what you're saying? Sounds like it to me, Todd, and, well, shucks, that ain't too nice, now is it? By your standards, it sounds like you want Rush to fail. Of course, you don't have to worry, because Rush, being the stubborn ol' refusing to fail wingnut he is has riled the Marxists, who are now looking to silence him and all of conservative talk radio with a new "Fairness Doctrine". Undoubtedly they'll find some Vichy Republicans like Specter, the numbskulls from Maine, Voinovich, McCain, or his poodle Graham to sell out again to make sure it happens too. Haven't seen you speak out on that...wonder why? You care about the First Amendment, don't you?
This was not my ultimate point though. I knew writing this, it would draw the ire of the Rush faithful and thats fine, I am a big boy and I can take it. My point was that this whole madness of right v. left, liberal v. conservative, gets us no where except further divided. It never advances the discussion. Arent you tired of it? Arent you tired of such complex problems, such as the ones we face today, being decided along party lines? How well has it worked in the past?
Protip Todd, this left v. right, conservative v. liberal argument comes down to the most basic, yet profound questions humanity faces, and that is what is the nature of humanity? From there the governing philosophy usually stems, except in simpletons like Specter, McCain or Graham. Hint Mr. Leva, this is a question we have been struggled with since the earliest moments of human history. The left and right have a profound difference in how view the essence of human nature, and those differences may well be irreconcilable. Of course, as someone with a degree in political science, you should know all that already. *
Today each party decides issues on political points, and how it can be spun to make the other side look like the ill gotten step child of Lucifer. Its now about beating the other side over the head, and winning elections, alls fair in love and war. Whats good for America gets drowned out by all the noise, ranking in importance just behind whats on the Congressional lunch menu. I for one am tired of it.
Todd, do yourself a favor and read some of the pamphlets, editorials and newspapers from some of the earliest American elections. I think you'll be shocked at how nasty they are. Then continue through till you get to today, you'll find brief moments of relative peace, but for the most part, you'll find that same nasty tone you lament in your columns. It's not going anywhere.
This does NOT mitigate true heartfelt disagreement with policies that come out of Washington. If you truly disagree, in an honest fashion, but still have the well being of America as your true goal, then I am your biggest fan. But if your indoctrination has become so deep that you root for your party before your nation, then I feel sorry for you and I hope youll do some self reflection because the nation needs you.
Rush's disagreement isn't heartfelt? Says who? You? Who the fuck are you to question Rush's commitment to what is right for the nation? This is a guy who devotes his entire day to keeping people who he believes (correctly) don't have the best interests of the nation in mind away from the levers of power in America.
Isn't Rush doing exactly what you ask of him? Or is it that you just don't like his tone? Todd, this is politics, it is life or death. It is the difference between George Washington and Churchill, Hitler or Kim Jong-il. It is the difference between living free and prosperous and being herded onto cattle cars to be exterminated by the millions. It is bloodsport, and there is no problem with language that reflects that.
Though of course, this is all an exercise in futility, because you, see, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Todd Leva is, I regret to inform you is, oh so clearly, an O-bot. His attempt here in our comments to solidify his "independentness" is his undoing, he links his latest column here, which is yet another bit of lazy "can't we all just get along" pap for the Holland Sentinel. For starters, let's frame this,
In the most important bill to come on the floors of the House and Senate in recent history, the largest spending bill ever, with our economy teetering and hanging on by a mere thread, our leaders did what they have always done best. They turned it political and split right down party lines. The Democrats kept Republicans out of the meetings where the bill was being crafted. The Republicans were drunk with tax cuts, tax cuts and more tax cuts. The Democrats promised that after the bill was completed it would be put out on the Internet for the general public’s consumption for 48 hours, which never happened. And after all this, a huge 1,100-page bill was introduced, passed and never thoroughly read by every member of the House and Senate.
Hmm, gee, you mean the Democrats weren't gorging themselves on billions in pork and idiotic social programs? Not to mention downright fascist bullshit like this? Notice Mr. Leva offers no substantive criticism of what the Democrats added to this abortion of a bill, just the tax cuts the GOP added. There's a reason for that. *Oh, guess I should mention this gushing bit of Obama worship now. So we know he's liberal, or at least left leaning now. He may be salvageable, though, there are some positive signs if he decides to move beyond mindless hero worship and quit allowing the media to think for him. You can see where his leftist education and indoctrination kick in here, in part of a comment he makes as Stanley Cup in the comments of the above linked column,
If all else fails some can rally behind the Republican blow hard Rush Limbaugh. At least hes man enough to stand up and say I want to see Obama fail. At least he wears his craven, ideologically soaked, pessimism on his sleeve for all to see. You know where he stands.
Todd clearly hasn't listened to much of Limbaugh, which is typical of Rush's critics. I started listening to Rush about my senior year of college, just to see what was Rush was about. I expected, well pretty much what Leva lays out, but with me agreeing with most of what Rush said. What surprised me was what a positive, optimistic message that Rush was offering up most days. Yeah, he was cutting Democrats and other assorted liberal vermin to shreds, but Rush always offers a positive, glowing vision for America that very few people are able to articulate to go with it, if you actually spend some time listening to his program.
But what's this? Our O-bot has some doubts,
Now I will say first and foremost that I am no economist, but the bill just doesn't feel right. I don't see this big huge influx of good jobs coming anytime soon. The thing too that concerns me is the now apparent parsing of words when the Obama administration says that this bill will create or SAVE 3 to 4 million jobs. So lets say it saves 4 million jobs that would otherwise be lost in the future for whatever reason. The bill then does nothing to re-vitalize and replace the millions of jobs lost already? I really cannot stand this type of splitting hairs.
Question: How the fuck do you gauge "saving 3-4 million jobs?" Let's just say we lost 10 million jobs in 2009, just to make a number up, Obama can claim we would have lost 13 million without Porkulus, but he can't fucking prove it. This is what we call bullshit, and a sooper-smart political scientist like Todd ought to be able to cut right through it. You know better than this, you practically admit as much in this statement, but you can't bring yourself to actually call Dear Leader on his bullshit.
I will say too about the whole Obama-mania thing, that I bought into it. He seems like a charismatic good man, who can think on his feet, and seems genuine. The problem is, and this is what I failed to think about before voting for him and just after his inauguration, was no matter how well intentioned he maybe, he was going to run into a buzz saw of ineptness when dealing with Congress. Congress was and has never been fraught with panic in how to help us, but simply how to get power and re-elected.
Oh, you more than bought into it, and the problem isn't Congress, don't shift blame, you know better. Besides, Obama came out of that clusterfuck of stupidity called Congress. What makes you think he's any better than the rest, other than his penchant for flowery language (assuming he can see his teleprompter)? Let me ask this, what do you have to say about Mr. Bipartisan Hopenchange, when during a meeting with the GOP leadership he says I won, and here's what I'm doing? Bush let that corpulent murdering fucktard Ted Kennedy write his first major bill, that was a shitload more bipartisan than Porkulus and Obama have been.
Hope and greatness are not going to be delivered to us by the government, we seek them out on our own, during our own personal journies. If you let the government take charge of your future, it will do so, and rest assured, you will not like the end result. Click on the FAIL Britannia category here at doubleplusundead. Crawl back into those archives and look at the soft tyranny taking shape in that once great nation, the soulless stagnation, the dull misery, the pusillaminity, the weakness. Read through those articles and look at how their Nanny State is destroying all the little joys of life in the name of order, and to be able to pay for state-run social programs and health care.
How radical muslims are allowed to say whatever the fuck they want, trash neighborhoods and attack people, yet the Brits try and bar Geert Wilders from entering the country for making a fifteen minute video about Islamic terrorism. How people are disarmed, and thugs run riot on the streets, break into homes, and one can get thrown in jail for daring to fight them off. Or how about banning smoking in pubs, then banning outdoor heaters after pubowners put them out so their patrons won't freeze? How about the former Desert Rat who was denied garbage collection for two weeks for committing the grave crime of putting a ketchup bottle in the wrong recycling bin? We've got tons of these stories from the UK, and there are plenty more we've missed.
Why are we so vicious in our opposition to Obama and the left? That is why, we've witnessed and read about the rise and fall of the USSR, and are now watching the slow, agonizing creep of Marxist authoritarianism and Nanny Statism over Western Europe today. The left is trying to make us walk the same path as Western Europe is now, whether they realize it or not, and are going to bring that nightmare here if we don't stop them. I want no part of it, and they aren't going to drag us into that gaping maw without a fight. Deal with it.
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