February 20, 2009
Sean, if you remember, pointed out Mr. Leva's contributing fart in the Limbaugh "I hope Obama fails" tempest, our fellow moronblogger noted the endless bile spewed by the left during the Bush years. If you'll remember, Rush then went on to offer up an alternative stimulus plan in a column for the Wall Street Journal. In any case, here's what Leva offers up. Now, what makes things much easier for us is to wade into the comments of the articles he writes, where Leva comments as Stanley Cup (and adds his real name as his sig). Part of one comment stood out to me, so I've decided to cut it to ribbons,
But to say he only wants his policies to fail but the generator and man behind those policies to succeed is inconsistent, intellectually dishonest, not to mention impossible. Either they both fail, or both succeed period.
So then you want Rush and his policies to fail? Is that what you're saying? Sounds like it to me, Todd, and, well, shucks, that ain't too nice, now is it? By your standards, it sounds like you want Rush to fail. Of course, you don't have to worry, because Rush, being the stubborn ol' refusing to fail wingnut he is has riled the Marxists, who are now looking to silence him and all of conservative talk radio with a new "Fairness Doctrine". Undoubtedly they'll find some Vichy Republicans like Specter, the numbskulls from Maine, Voinovich, McCain, or his poodle Graham to sell out again to make sure it happens too. Haven't seen you speak out on that...wonder why? You care about the First Amendment, don't you?
This was not my ultimate point though. I knew writing this, it would draw the ire of the Rush faithful and thats fine, I am a big boy and I can take it. My point was that this whole madness of right v. left, liberal v. conservative, gets us no where except further divided. It never advances the discussion. Arent you tired of it? Arent you tired of such complex problems, such as the ones we face today, being decided along party lines? How well has it worked in the past?
Protip Todd, this left v. right, conservative v. liberal argument comes down to the most basic, yet profound questions humanity faces, and that is what is the nature of humanity? From there the governing philosophy usually stems, except in simpletons like Specter, McCain or Graham. Hint Mr. Leva, this is a question we have been struggled with since the earliest moments of human history. The left and right have a profound difference in how view the essence of human nature, and those differences may well be irreconcilable. Of course, as someone with a degree in political science, you should know all that already. *
Today each party decides issues on political points, and how it can be spun to make the other side look like the ill gotten step child of Lucifer. Its now about beating the other side over the head, and winning elections, alls fair in love and war. Whats good for America gets drowned out by all the noise, ranking in importance just behind whats on the Congressional lunch menu. I for one am tired of it.
Todd, do yourself a favor and read some of the pamphlets, editorials and newspapers from some of the earliest American elections. I think you'll be shocked at how nasty they are. Then continue through till you get to today, you'll find brief moments of relative peace, but for the most part, you'll find that same nasty tone you lament in your columns. It's not going anywhere.
This does NOT mitigate true heartfelt disagreement with policies that come out of Washington. If you truly disagree, in an honest fashion, but still have the well being of America as your true goal, then I am your biggest fan. But if your indoctrination has become so deep that you root for your party before your nation, then I feel sorry for you and I hope youll do some self reflection because the nation needs you.
Rush's disagreement isn't heartfelt? Says who? You? Who the fuck are you to question Rush's commitment to what is right for the nation? This is a guy who devotes his entire day to keeping people who he believes (correctly) don't have the best interests of the nation in mind away from the levers of power in America.
Isn't Rush doing exactly what you ask of him? Or is it that you just don't like his tone? Todd, this is politics, it is life or death. It is the difference between George Washington and Churchill, Hitler or Kim Jong-il. It is the difference between living free and prosperous and being herded onto cattle cars to be exterminated by the millions. It is bloodsport, and there is no problem with language that reflects that.
Though of course, this is all an exercise in futility, because you, see, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Todd Leva is, I regret to inform you is, oh so clearly, an O-bot. His attempt here in our comments to solidify his "independentness" is his undoing, he links his latest column here, which is yet another bit of lazy "can't we all just get along" pap for the Holland Sentinel. For starters, let's frame this,
In the most important bill to come on the floors of the House and Senate in recent history, the largest spending bill ever, with our economy teetering and hanging on by a mere thread, our leaders did what they have always done best. They turned it political and split right down party lines. The Democrats kept Republicans out of the meetings where the bill was being crafted. The Republicans were drunk with tax cuts, tax cuts and more tax cuts. The Democrats promised that after the bill was completed it would be put out on the Internet for the general public’s consumption for 48 hours, which never happened. And after all this, a huge 1,100-page bill was introduced, passed and never thoroughly read by every member of the House and Senate.
Hmm, gee, you mean the Democrats weren't gorging themselves on billions in pork and idiotic social programs? Not to mention downright fascist bullshit like this? Notice Mr. Leva offers no substantive criticism of what the Democrats added to this abortion of a bill, just the tax cuts the GOP added. There's a reason for that. *Oh, guess I should mention this gushing bit of Obama worship now. So we know he's liberal, or at least left leaning now. He may be salvageable, though, there are some positive signs if he decides to move beyond mindless hero worship and quit allowing the media to think for him. You can see where his leftist education and indoctrination kick in here, in part of a comment he makes as Stanley Cup in the comments of the above linked column,
If all else fails some can rally behind the Republican blow hard Rush Limbaugh. At least hes man enough to stand up and say I want to see Obama fail. At least he wears his craven, ideologically soaked, pessimism on his sleeve for all to see. You know where he stands.
Todd clearly hasn't listened to much of Limbaugh, which is typical of Rush's critics. I started listening to Rush about my senior year of college, just to see what was Rush was about. I expected, well pretty much what Leva lays out, but with me agreeing with most of what Rush said. What surprised me was what a positive, optimistic message that Rush was offering up most days. Yeah, he was cutting Democrats and other assorted liberal vermin to shreds, but Rush always offers a positive, glowing vision for America that very few people are able to articulate to go with it, if you actually spend some time listening to his program.
But what's this? Our O-bot has some doubts,
Now I will say first and foremost that I am no economist, but the bill just doesn't feel right. I don't see this big huge influx of good jobs coming anytime soon. The thing too that concerns me is the now apparent parsing of words when the Obama administration says that this bill will create or SAVE 3 to 4 million jobs. So lets say it saves 4 million jobs that would otherwise be lost in the future for whatever reason. The bill then does nothing to re-vitalize and replace the millions of jobs lost already? I really cannot stand this type of splitting hairs.
Question: How the fuck do you gauge "saving 3-4 million jobs?" Let's just say we lost 10 million jobs in 2009, just to make a number up, Obama can claim we would have lost 13 million without Porkulus, but he can't fucking prove it. This is what we call bullshit, and a sooper-smart political scientist like Todd ought to be able to cut right through it. You know better than this, you practically admit as much in this statement, but you can't bring yourself to actually call Dear Leader on his bullshit.
I will say too about the whole Obama-mania thing, that I bought into it. He seems like a charismatic good man, who can think on his feet, and seems genuine. The problem is, and this is what I failed to think about before voting for him and just after his inauguration, was no matter how well intentioned he maybe, he was going to run into a buzz saw of ineptness when dealing with Congress. Congress was and has never been fraught with panic in how to help us, but simply how to get power and re-elected.
Oh, you more than bought into it, and the problem isn't Congress, don't shift blame, you know better. Besides, Obama came out of that clusterfuck of stupidity called Congress. What makes you think he's any better than the rest, other than his penchant for flowery language (assuming he can see his teleprompter)? Let me ask this, what do you have to say about Mr. Bipartisan Hopenchange, when during a meeting with the GOP leadership he says I won, and here's what I'm doing? Bush let that corpulent murdering fucktard Ted Kennedy write his first major bill, that was a shitload more bipartisan than Porkulus and Obama have been.
Hope and greatness are not going to be delivered to us by the government, we seek them out on our own, during our own personal journies. If you let the government take charge of your future, it will do so, and rest assured, you will not like the end result. Click on the FAIL Britannia category here at doubleplusundead. Crawl back into those archives and look at the soft tyranny taking shape in that once great nation, the soulless stagnation, the dull misery, the pusillaminity, the weakness. Read through those articles and look at how their Nanny State is destroying all the little joys of life in the name of order, and to be able to pay for state-run social programs and health care.
How radical muslims are allowed to say whatever the fuck they want, trash neighborhoods and attack people, yet the Brits try and bar Geert Wilders from entering the country for making a fifteen minute video about Islamic terrorism. How people are disarmed, and thugs run riot on the streets, break into homes, and one can get thrown in jail for daring to fight them off. Or how about banning smoking in pubs, then banning outdoor heaters after pubowners put them out so their patrons won't freeze? How about the former Desert Rat who was denied garbage collection for two weeks for committing the grave crime of putting a ketchup bottle in the wrong recycling bin? We've got tons of these stories from the UK, and there are plenty more we've missed.
Why are we so vicious in our opposition to Obama and the left? That is why, we've witnessed and read about the rise and fall of the USSR, and are now watching the slow, agonizing creep of Marxist authoritarianism and Nanny Statism over Western Europe today. The left is trying to make us walk the same path as Western Europe is now, whether they realize it or not, and are going to bring that nightmare here if we don't stop them. I want no part of it, and they aren't going to drag us into that gaping maw without a fight. Deal with it.
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Posted by: eddiebear at February 20, 2009 05:14 PM (wnU1W)
Posted by: Alice H at February 20, 2009 05:23 PM (jRtPb)
Impressive DPUD. I refrained from commenting on the original thread (although I was extremely tempted to Rickroll it), because the only thing that's a bigger waste of time than reading a so-called 'journalist' is arguing with one.
My general response to this dude would be short and sweet: If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a fucking duck. Journalists get zero slack these days, as so many are intellectually lazy hacks, that I personally wouldn't have had the energy to put together this stemwinder that DPUD has. Nicely done, though.
Posted by: Hermit Dave at February 20, 2009 05:45 PM (WhFvm)
Posted by: It's Vintage, Duh at February 20, 2009 06:14 PM (jZokp)
Posted by: alexthechick at February 20, 2009 06:15 PM (NuqWW)
Godsmacked?
How awful, there's a reason I listen to NPR (during the day when they play classical, not that shitty folk music in the evenings), or the classic rock station.
Posted by: doubleplusundead at February 20, 2009 06:28 PM (SeUhj)
What was it ECM said about cognitive dissonance? I'm almost tempted to get a tattoo.
Posted by: Alice H at February 20, 2009 06:28 PM (jRtPb)
Posted by: alexthechick at February 20, 2009 06:51 PM (NuqWW)
If Mr. Leva wants to come back with a link to a column he wrote decrying, say, the sneering tone of one of Keith Olbermann's "Speshul Komments," that's fine. Maybe he is a pretty even-handed guy. But I find the whole "Now that the guy I voted for won, can't we all just get along?" thing extremely tiresome. And extremely disingenuous as well.
Oh, and nice smackdown, boss.
Posted by: Sean M. at February 20, 2009 07:19 PM (rLWHv)
ago (gave it away didn't I) and his rise to influence and power, has been
disturbing to say the list. How disturbing would probably have me resorting to cursing in Spanish, which is a much more expressive language for these purposes.
Posted by: ian cormac at February 20, 2009 07:49 PM (9EG7Z)
Since you've repeatedly made this point, with the inherent assumption that you are somehow braver etc, let me put you some knowledge. I put under a nom de blog because I have an ex husband who will hunt me down and attempt to do me serious physical harm should he obtain access to my current whereabouts. It's not cowardice, it basic freaking common sense that I do not use my real name.
Seriously, I don't mean to play the girl card here, but one of the very first piece of personal safety advice given to any woman who will be posting online is to never ever ever use her real name unless absolutely necessary. Really, before you break your arm patting yourself on the back for using your real name, you might take just one freaking second to realize that there are damn good reasons for not doing so.
There are some pretty intelligent thoughts here, it just seems to be a waste, when those thoughts are just used to re-enforce the beliefs of those who already agree with you, than trying to convince others, that your views are right, and that if given the chance you can prove it.
What the hell do you think we're doing if not engaging in the marketplace of ideas? Dude. This site is not exactly some secret. There's no password to access the posts. There's no restriction on who can comment here (with the obvious caveat that we reserve the right to remove any comment that can get us the hell sued and/or visited by the authorities).
The echo chamber that you presume exists doesn't. What you happen to see is a group of people who know one another from another forum who happen to enjoy taking the piss out of each other over here. If others want to come play, that's fine. If it weren't, the exchange we've had with you would never have happened.
You deride “left wing” sites, which is fine, I cannot say I have been to many, nor written on them, but if you feel so strongly against those beliefs they espouse, why not mix it up with them?
Based on experience, if any of us attempted to post comments in the manner you posted here, we would have been summarily banned and/or subjected to intense personal attack. Not to mention the joy of having people attempt to hunt down your true identity by tracing IP addresses. That's not speculation, by the way. This presumption you have that none of us want to engage others also utterly ignores that, for most of us, we are surrounded by those to our left in real life. Believe you me, I am not precisely a shirking violet when it comes to standing up for my beliefs in the actual world. Your constant presumptions otherwise reveal more about you than you have any idea.
Posted by: alexthechick at February 22, 2009 11:07 PM (CW7CI)
Alexthechick:
Your points are valid, especially the husband thing. I apologize for not thinking of a situation like yours, and I guess the whole "hide behind" thing was a cheap shot, not well thought out,indeed. I do respect the fact that nobody has banned me. it does say something about this site for sure. nonetheless my offer to mix it up in the future still stands...
Posted by: Todd Leva at February 22, 2009 11:18 PM (7ShKC)
nonetheless my offer to mix it up in the future still stands...
I can't speak for dpud, since it is his sandbox after all, but from my perspective you are more than welcome.
Posted by: alexthechick at February 22, 2009 11:23 PM (CW7CI)
So much for the "market place of ideas."
Posted by: Sean M. at February 22, 2009 11:25 PM (rLWHv)
Posted by: eddiebear at February 22, 2009 11:54 PM (hOD7J)
Posted by: ian cormac at February 23, 2009 12:00 AM (9EG7Z)
if you feel so strongly against those beliefs they espouse, why not mix it up with them?
Apparently Mr. Leva is absolutely new to the blogosphere. The simple fact is, the opportunities for rational discussion between the dextrosphere and sinistrosphere expired long ago, due to the constant onslaught of trolls and mobys. Now, whenever either side sees a ideological opponent showing up at their blog, they shoot first. If shooting doesn't work, banning ensues.
And using your own name instead of a moniker? That's been considered suicidally foolish for years.
Posted by: geoff at February 23, 2009 12:32 AM (qd5/g)
...such as how he thought a wardheeller from Daley's Cook County with extreme left affiliations, was going to bring about hope and change, of a positive kind.
And yet he voted. It boggles the mind. I have far more respect for the power-mongers on the liberal side than someone who actually bought into the unicorn scenario.
Posted by: geoff at February 23, 2009 12:38 AM (qd5/g)
The only people in the blogosphere who use their real names are journalists/columnists/some other public figure who have sites on the side to their already public careers, but using your real name can and has made life hell for political bloggers, especially for those on the right.
Apparently Mr. Leva is absolutely new to the blogosphere.
Pretty much.
Posted by: doubleplusundead at February 23, 2009 12:40 AM (SeUhj)
Posted by: doubleplusundead at February 23, 2009 12:41 AM (SeUhj)
Posted by: doubleplusundead at February 23, 2009 12:43 AM (SeUhj)
From his previous column, he's opposed to Gitmo, but not on public relations grounds, he doesn't want them in the US Courts, I assume he was opposed to the military commissions plan, it's all over the map, with this guy. The thing with 'independents' like this fellow, is that "he doesn't even know what he doesn't know and what he does know is wrong" Yes I cribbed that from Reagan, yet sometimes that's the only way to say something. Yes we can all pretty much agree we weren't voting for McCain, we were all voting proxy for Sarah, maybe we understood something, beyond what we knew at the time as this piece from the Telegraph suggests:
Posted by: ian cormac at February 23, 2009 10:47 AM (w7YpG)
Hey jerkoff, I alerted Todd to this horseshitsite when searching for his article on the Sentinal. You are a coward for spearing Todd in this anonymous forum, dont try to dodge that bullet.
suck it
Posted by: Jake at February 24, 2009 07:12 PM (bmanD)
You are a coward for spearing Todd in this anonymous forum, dont try to dodge that bullet.
OK "Jake".
(I imagine the irony has escaped you, yes? Or, perhaps, you were going for intentionally ironic? Nah, that's giving you way,way too much credit.)
Posted by: ECM at February 24, 2009 07:30 PM (q3V+C)
Posted by: Jake at February 24, 2009 08:20 PM (bmanD)
Meet Deb Frisch. Which I truly hope that you never do.
There are actual, certifiable, completely and utterly insane people out there who will hunt down those with whom they disagree and do horrid things. We're not cowards. We're displaying a minimal level of common sense for our personal safety.
Oh and Jake? If you bothered to read, you surely should have noticed that Mr. Leva himself apologized for the cheap shot that you just made.
And one last thing. That comment you just made? Could possibly be why we're not idiots enough to use real names.
Posted by: alexthechick at February 24, 2009 08:33 PM (CW7CI)
As I said, i think you fail to grasp the irony of the situation, "Jake". Perhaps if you included your last name, home phone number, address, etc. we could take you at your word (after verifying said information, of course).
But seeing as how this is the Internet and, without engaging in various, not-entirely-legal means, we can't actually know who anyone is so your contention that this site has a number of anonymous people posting on it is entirely moot.
Furthermore, even if you knew exactly who we all were, what difference would that make? Would it somehow undermine or invalidate the comments already posted? If so, how? I mean, short of some additional, infintile, rhetoric (sans logic, of course) on your part about how, by using real names, they're somehow more 'accountable' to...someone (maybe the great Blog God or the Universal MSM Credibility Computer).
As for Todd, hell, we don't even know if he's the "real" Todd Leva, right? I mean, short of Todd posting in one of his colums "Hi, Dpud.com!", he could be just some jake--, err, jack-off from off the street.
And, finally, why the fuck would anyone listen to a jerk-off like you when you can't even manage a coherent sentence without showing off your keen grasp of 7th grade language skills coupled with the logical insight of a developmentally-disabled 4 year old? (BTW, the preceding paragraph would be intentional irony, in case you're taking notes, you fucking tool.)
Posted by: ECM at February 24, 2009 08:36 PM (q3V+C)
Posted by: ECM at February 24, 2009 08:39 PM (q3V+C)
Hey jerkoff, I alerted Todd to this horseshitsite when searching for his article on the Sentinal.
Being a Todd fan-boy is more pathetic than being Todd. Aim high Jake!!
Posted by: geoff at February 24, 2009 08:57 PM (qd5/g)
Being a regular on this blog is a great lifestyle geoff( wtf is a geoff). Way to have your priorities in line. Tell your parents I said hello, as you all must still live with them.
Posted by: Jake at February 25, 2009 12:30 PM (bmanD)
BTW geOFF, so you posting here attacking someone who is unaware is very pathetic. Maybe you should look at that before opening your mouth.
Since this site is such a wate of space and time, here's the last word on this: go fuck yourselves
Posted by: Jake at February 25, 2009 12:37 PM (bmanD)
Google makes the "someone who is unaware" bit moot. This site gets indexed within a couple of hours, so everything's out there for anyone to view. And perhaps you should google "last-word freak".
You do know what Google is, don't you?
Posted by: Alice H at February 25, 2009 01:19 PM (jRtPb)
Ohio transplants. It's the only explanation.
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No more calls please, we have a winner.
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