1 So far this morning what I've learned is that NY 23 was a referendum on teabaggers and we lost.

NJ and VA gov races had nothing to do with anything.

Heads they win, tails I lose, on edge goes to the left.

2 Well, then they're going to be very fucking surprised in 2010 when that coin shoots right off into space.

3 Keep on fucking that chicken Markos.

4 Well, so far this morning I have learned that calling a 53/47 loss on the marriage equality question in Maine a mandate against gay marriage is stupid, but calling a 52/48 win for Obama last fall a mandate for the Dems is okay.  Why?  Because this is a midterm, so the "real" people weren't voting.  

5 I know youse guys are just going to chalk this up to it being me saying it, but...

Look at the margins by which Christie and McDonnell won their elections. Christie especially, given the way that NJ swung in 2008.  Then look at the amount of money and volunteer time and the heavy-hitting endorsements that Hoffman had, and wonder why the race wasn't closer.

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Alice, it ain't that it was you saying it, that makes you wrong. It's what you're saying.

Hoffman went from SINGLE digits to an almost-win in the space of a few weeks, and from the vote totals, it IS pretty obvious that IF the fricking RNC hadn't gotten involved, hadn't spent almost a million frickin' dollars on a potential turn-coat candidate that couldn't win locally and couldn't be differentiated from the liberal wing of the DEMOCRAT party - and whose subsequent actions pretty much thoroughly vindicated the conservative base's ideological AND pragmatic objections to her - there would have been at least 6,700 more votes for the conservative candidate in NY-23 last night.

Regardless, another two weeks, and he still might have pulled it off (and the "romantic victory" would have been nice; but I'll settle for the fact that conservatives were able to stop another DIABLO from entering Congress).

...by "the conservative candidate" I mean the one the party should have "chosen" last July, who was Paul Maroun going into the final votes. But whom a top-down "directive" from Albany and the Beltway corrupted an already flawed process (one of the "party bosses" ignored her resposibility and the RESULTS of her own constitiuency) to lose. And there wasn't a primary (as in NJ and VA) in NY-23, so your comparison don't hold water.

(Just like I would've voted for HC over McCain (prior to the Palin introduction) in 2008, I would've voted for Owens over Scozzafava in this race.)

But - and lest we go down this road again, and to throw you more than a bone - I think that this rather thoroughly illustrates your position that conservatives MUST take the time to show up on the local level.

But a Hoffman loss isn't a reason to consider this a conservative loss at all: the enemy here was the Beltway dirtbags who caused this in the first place.

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I think I just really pissed off my cousin. She lives in NY23 and thinks Moveon is a little too reticient, Acorn is just too darn honest and Bush is the worst thing to have ever happened in the history of ever.

I totally got her angry once when I was praising KKK Byrd and said, "What's next? Anna praising Bush?", man was she mad about that.

I congratulated her on having a Dem congresscritter, she replied by insulting her neighbors (you can hear hillbilly lamentations or something), so I replied with a comment about how I thought it was funny that she owed it all to Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck.

Heh.

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One thing, people are saying, "Well, Hoffman can come back next year."

Hoffman won't be in it next year. 

At the very least, he won't be the front-runner, they will have a conservative Republican, like Maroun, not a Conservative.

The Conservatives usually just run the GOP on their ticket in NY, there was no way they were going to run Dede on their ticket.

Hoffman got in because the GOP conservatives didn't want to go against the party.

Next time, they will, hopefully, be working with the party (if they've learned anything at all), so Hoffman won't be the leading candidate.

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