December 02, 2007
Goddammit.
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While the Beauchamp story recieved virtually no coverage?
Who are you trying to kid?
And lets put this in perspective. A soldier claims to witness dogs being run over, or a skull put on head, or an injured woman mocked - vs. a "reporter" trying to gin up a war by claiming 4000 terrorists descending on Beirut?
Which do you think is more serious. Which will you treat more seriously?
And shall you be one who insists that Lopez give us, at least, a 14 page essay explaining her position, and the details of how she investigates this scandal?
We await with bated breath a demonstration from the right hand side of the blogosphere exactly how y'all will be dealing with this in a better way than Foer did.
Posted by: JoeCitizen at December 02, 2007 01:59 PM (I/GPD)
I'm not going to dismiss the gravity of NRO guy's lies, they're pretty damn serious, and we'll be pressuring NRO to be upfront, just as we were with TNR. Both are disasters. The difference is, I'm not gonna hedge what this guy did like you do on the left. I'll be up front, as will most on the right.
As for this,
Which do you think is more serious. Which will you treat more seriously?
I don't know yet, and I can't know until the extent of the NRO's guys lies are uncovered. We'll see, but our propaganda and lies will never match what your side is capable of on the whole. And the difference is, we hold ours accountable. I've been going after a Vice-Chair of the Minnesota GOP for plagiarism this past week. We work to police our own, we're far from perfect, but we're a hell of a lot better than you'll ever be.
Beauchamp's lies, in a bubble, are less than what NRO guys were, but when used as a way to give legitimacy to all the "war weary soldier who has become cold and jaded over all the years, committing atrocities, a helpless cog of a wicked war machine" stories the leftist MSM and other assorted lefty operations and entertainment have spun since Vietnam, it is a serious issue. Its propaganda.
And let's not forget the trade-off effect in leftist MSM reporting. Jihadis slaughter 100 people? Might make page one for a day. Abu Ghraib, where to my knowledge, no one was killed, spent MONTHS on front pages. Oh, and lets not forget all the fauxtography hijinks that the MSM went along with, and never offered sufficient effort to correct.
Bottom line, if Jihadis or Hamas act like savages, kill and maim hundreds, it gets little attention, if America or Israel do something even remotely wrong, its time to break out the Hitler references and sound the MSMs klaxon, its time to declare that America sucks, and to turn an event into a new Teachable Moment.
Even Marvin Kalb, who's a known liberal, states that the media was horridly irresponsible across the board in its reporting on Lebanon. Here's a link that has the Harvard Study Kalb did linked.
That's not an excuse for NRO's sloppy work, but I guarantee we'll do a better job at cracking down on this wanker than you assclowns ever will at cracking down on your own, you people pretended Beauchamp never happened. Liberals have no place making condemnations in this NRO fiasco.
Posted by: doubleplusundead at December 02, 2007 02:54 PM (42t1t)
Posted by: PW at December 02, 2007 03:39 PM (q8DwV)
You mean 14 pages of namby pamby blame throwing and non-apology?
No thanks.
That Foer piece was one of the biggest loads of crap that I have ever read. When he is fired they are going to hand that to him on the way out as the final reason for his dismissal.
Posted by: mesablue at December 02, 2007 04:15 PM (KCOdQ)
The Leftards tripped all over themselves to stand up for Beauchump because they wanted to believe his made up crap.
We don't support liars. The left believes lying is just a means to an end.
Posted by: mesablue at December 02, 2007 04:18 PM (KCOdQ)
And at least the Hezbollah tent city story was plausible, if a year or so after the fact.
http://sietske-in-beiroet.blogspot.com/2006/12/it-has-no-lebanese-feel-to-it.html
As was the Hezbollah going into Christian area story
http://sietske-in-beiroet.blogspot.com/2006/12/day-after.html
What Beauchamp wrote was implausible on its face, no Bradley commander is going to let his driver hit things on purpose for fun as dead bodies (including people and dogs) were routinely filled up with bombs. And the maintenance tech, probably a sergeant, is going to have a chat with some nitwit PFC for banging "his" Bradley around. Wearing a long-dead kids head with hair still on it in 100 degree heat? Making fun of a disfigured woman with a bunch of American troops around and not getting your ass kicked? Ain't. Gonna. Happen.
Nope, the two situations are not even remotely related, except in that the stories were fiction.
The brand of fiction in the TNR was lefty orgasmic fantasy stuff, the fiction in the NRO thing was about stuff that had happened but that didn't happen when the author claimed they did.
Posted by: Veeshir at December 04, 2007 11:06 AM (zXUuJ)
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