June 17, 2009
Via Twitter (username redacted), members of the Iranian national soccer team wearing green arm bands to show solidarity with the protestors on live television.
I'm not sure we can fathom how tough their lives are about to get.
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Posted by: eddiebear at June 17, 2009 08:54 AM (wnU1W)
Let's hope that Iran doesn't use the same methods to 'motivate' their soccer players that Iraq utilized under Saddam Hussein. Uday Hussein was personally in charge of the national team. If your stomach's feeling particularly strong, you can read the details here (PDF). People thought I was joking when I said we should have invaded Iraq as soon as we found out what they were doing to their soccer players - if they were doing those sort of things to their professional athletes, how do you think people whose performance wasn't utterly dependent on their physical condition were treated?
Posted by: Alice H at June 17, 2009 09:28 AM (qJHYy)
Posted by: alexthechick at June 17, 2009 10:02 AM (SHHaV)
The Iraqi soccer team under Saddam was my first thought when I saw this pic.
Posted by: doubleplusundead at June 17, 2009 10:20 AM (lCjXq)
^or when a Soviet team wouldn't win an event they were supposed to win.
Posted by: eddiebear at June 17, 2009 10:24 AM (wnU1W)
Geez, I'm surprised they can wear those shorts with balls the size of medicine balls.
Posted by: Veeshir at June 17, 2009 10:51 AM (zXUuJ)
We can only try to image courage like that! That's real battlefield, bullets flying courage!
Posted by: KySlugBug at June 17, 2009 01:46 PM (gdcKm)
Posted by: Go_Fish at June 17, 2009 04:17 PM (CTpRY)
Please. These people, and the people who are protesting in the streets are not brave, they are BUTTHURT.
These "brave" people, sat on their asses when Iran was sending QUDS forces, ESPs and IEDS into Iraq. They have never given a damn about Israel or the exportation of money and expertise to HAMAS or Hizbollah. These coragous denzians against terrorism and its export cheered in the streets on 9/11.
SCREW THEM. You are all fools if you think for one instant that if these butthurt bitches will change the direction of Iran. They sit back while all that crap happens and more with silence.
For every Israeli, and for every American that has died from acts of terrorism that Iran has perpetuated (and that these "brave people" tolerated for decades), I hope 1000 of them die.
Posted by: Blarg the Destroyer at June 17, 2009 04:56 PM (QBQcg)
Posted by: Alice H at June 17, 2009 05:07 PM (qJHYy)
And yes, I admit, it sounds crude that I hope 1k of them die for each American and Israeli death they are responsible for, but I tell you what, you watch 4 of your best friends get blown up by an Iranian made IED and we'll see how you feel about these monsters.
Trust me Alice, no one hopes more than I that I am wrong. But I will not fall into this "hope" that a new Iranian revolution will change anything.
Posted by: Blarg the Destroyer at June 17, 2009 05:32 PM (QBQcg)
Lumping the entire country into a group is no different than hating Israel as a country. Considering civilians as personally responsible for their government's actions is the same mindset that led Al Qaida to believe it was OK to fly planes into the World Trade Center. Assuming that an entire people approves of the actions of their government based on the demonstrations of a few strident protesters is the same as saying every right-winger approved of Scott Roeder's actions, or that every left-winger approved of Abdulhakim Muhammad's actions.
These guys are openly risking persecution by their government. Their IDs are known, there's going to be no denying who they are, no claiming that someone else was protesting. They could take the easy way out, not show any political affiliation one way or another, and bit by bit the entire protest goes away because just one more person decided it wasn't worth the trouble that's coming down on their heads.
You bitch and whine that the people of Iran don't stand up to their government, then when they do you bitch and whine about that. The people of Iran don't have the option to put a totally US-friendly candidate on the ballot, but the first step in stepping away from the destructive path Ahmadinejad has their country on is to have free elections where votes actually count. That is the only way the Iranian people are ever going to be in a position to elect someone who's not going to bring destruction upon their country.
Revolution happens in small steps. This could be the first step in something much bigger happening in Iran, in a true empowerment of the people, and you're belittling people for doing what they can to show their support of it. Stop with the race-hatred already, you're exactly what the anti-US thinkers in the Middle East picture our entire country to be like. I'm far from a sunshine and light and let's reach out to these people and maybe they'll like us enough to stop killing us sort of gal, but I'm certainly not going to belittle citizens of a nation who are trying to exercise the most basic of human rights, just because I disagree with some things that some people in their country have done, and because I don't like their head of state.
As I said, not even wrong.
Posted by: Alice H at June 17, 2009 06:37 PM (qJHYy)
The same civilians that you applaud now have set silent for decades. Their cheering on the streets does equal their love for jihadism, whether you want to admit it or not. The populace that is now standing up acted cowardly before.
I do agree, they are standing up now. Which means they are butthurt, just for the fact that they didn't stand up before.
I'm only bitching that they are ONLY standing up when they don't get their way. They were perfectly fine with decades of terrorism against Israel and the West. Wake up Alice, they are not our friends.
The idea that you posit that their is a free election in Iran shows your ignorance of that county. The mullahs chose which candidates may appear on the ballot. And, in case you didn't know, which I doubt, Mousavi started the Iranian nuclear program.
I belittle the people of Iran not based on racial bounds, but because they are cowards. They have been cowards for decades. The only reason now that they are bitching is because they didn't get their way.
Read; BUTTHURT. These "people" could have exerted human rights at anytime over the last 3 decades, yet they set silent.
Don't bitch at me for exposing the turd in the punchbowl. I didn't put it their. I just dared to expose it to you.
Posted by: Blarg the Destroyer at June 17, 2009 09:12 PM (QBQcg)
I find it absolutely hilarious when a civilian accuses a soldier or vet of racism. Seriously, yeah.
That is about on the same level of Stephanie Miller saying Rush Limbaugh should be hanged for treason. Read: absolutely idiotc.
Posted by: Blarg the Destroyer at June 17, 2009 09:19 PM (QBQcg)
Nuance!
Posted by: It's Vintage, Duh at June 17, 2009 09:26 PM (L23Mk)
Try again. Again answer this, assuming your false premise. Where were these people in the last 5 years; assuming they are all in their 20's. Oh yea, again silent.
BUTTHURT PERSIANS.
So the older ones have been silent since the Islamic Revolution and the younger ones that you, and so many are in love with, have sat quit while the ruling regime has exported terrorism.
THEY ARE BUTTHURT. How hard is that to understand?
Posted by: Blarg the Destroyer at June 17, 2009 09:36 PM (QBQcg)
You're right, these guys are total pussies.
Oh, and BUTTHURT!!!!eleventy!!!!11!!!
Posted by: It's Vintage, Duh at June 17, 2009 09:39 PM (L23Mk)
Now that they don't get their way, and elect a Mullhah chosen candidate, Mousavi (the father of the Iranian Nuclear Program).
I am not naive like everyone else appears to be. I want maximum death and destruction amongst this population. The longer they are fighting each other, the less time and resources they have to killing innocents.
I'm sorry you and others on the right seem to naive to appreciate this point.
Posted by: Blarg the Destroyer at June 17, 2009 09:47 PM (QBQcg)
I'm perfectly aware of the role that Mousavi has played in the Iranian government in the past, and that he's not going to miraculously turn Iran into a western-loving nation that hearts teh Joos. At best, he's not as radical as Ahmadinejad. It's not about which candidate is better, or about whether the candidates are chosen by the mullahs. It's about the fact that Iran is finally trying to have some sort of democratic elections, even though they're obviously not going to get it right the first few times. It's about the fact that the people of Iran are standing up for their rights, especially the college students who haven't been around for decades to sit on their asses but want to see a brighter future for their country and are trying to take an active part in it in their early adulthood, and they're willing to risk their very lives for it. You'd rather they pay for the sins of their parents. Are you really not aware that the regime has been targeting college dorms for arrests and beatings? Are you really going to blame 20-year-olds for celebrations that happened 8 years ago?
We may be witnessing another free democracy starting to form in the Middle East, this time without us having to topple the government, and all you can do is shit all over it.
Posted by: Alice H at June 17, 2009 09:47 PM (qJHYy)
I still hold myself to that oath. If a cop, or any government agent came to my door asking for my shotgun, he/she would be greeted in the face at point blank range with 2 shells of buckshot.
I am not afraid to die for what I believe, regardless of election consequences.
Posted by: Blarg the Destroyer at June 17, 2009 09:51 PM (QBQcg)
I do not believe that they are turning out because the believe in democracy. They have set too long on the side of terrorism.
Again, I cannot exclaim loud enough how I wish I were wrong. Nothing would please me more than to have Iraq and Iran to be beakons for democracy shining in the Middle East.
I would love to visit the ruins of Nebachudnezer's hanging gardens, and see the birthplace of Ziggaurauts. I just disagree that the population that you are cheering on now, has in its goal, openess and freedom.
I would love nothing more than to have Alice H, and Vintage, and everyone else come up to me in 5 years, and point and laugh at me, calling me a moron for being so wrong. I just don't see it.
Posted by: Blarg the Destroyer at June 17, 2009 09:59 PM (QBQcg)
If Iraq, Syria, and Iran were totally open to the west for archeological reasons, it would make the tomb of Tutankhamun look like toast.
But, I just don't see it happening with the current citizens.
Posted by: Blarg the Destroyer at June 17, 2009 10:30 PM (QBQcg)
Disregard that, I'm just a dumb racist that does not know anything about ME history or current culture, right?
And don't get me started on Tiamat.
Posted by: Blarg the Destroyer at June 17, 2009 11:14 PM (QBQcg)
I guess in 1968 and 1979-80, we should have said "screw them" to the young Czechs and Poles, respectively, because some weapons made by the factories owned by the respective governments may have made weapons that may have been used by forces in Vietnam trying to kill our servicemen.
I dunno.
Posted by: eddiebear at June 18, 2009 12:03 AM (KcTYj)
Although, most soldiers I know wouldn't look down on others for not joining the military to fight totalitarianism. Especially if...ummm...the army in question (IRG) protects said totalitarianism.
It'd like you're faulting a German in 1939 for not joining the German army to fight Hitler.
Okeydoke.
Posted by: It's Vintage, Duh at June 18, 2009 06:02 AM (L23Mk)
Did you know that our government has been funding and giving aid (mostly covertly) to the pro-democracy Iranian movement for a while now? Our state department has realized that the most effective approach would be to continue encouraging the young people who would accept the ideas of western change.
Wouldn't you resent having your government shut down your access to all non-state controlled media? Brutalizing and imprisoning your neighbors and friends for a decade just for a peaceful protest? What if our government had done that to those who participated in the Tea Parties? It takes time to have effective unity in a regime like they have. It takes time to gather the safety in numbers they need. It takes time to find a candidate who can inspire such unity. And just maybe some of these youth are seeing the positive actions that you and your brethren sacrificed for in Iraq and they want those things too. It's entirely possible. The many posts from the English speaking Iranians, who are risking life and limb to report the happenings, are pleaing to the West for help now that they have such unity and numbers. I don't believe their cries should fall on deaf ears around the world.
And regarding their "silence" on issues related to Israel, that accusation can be made about 80% of countries in the world. I'm not excusing it, but pointing out that non-Middle Eastern countries are neutral on genocide everywhere too. Two wrongs don't make a right, but you cannot expect an Islamic country to do that until democracy imperveates and gives them different perspectives other than those programmed in them by their oppresive regimes.
I do not think anyone thus far on this blog has endorsed any actions from Iranians who supplied weapons that killed innocent Iraqis and our brave men and women in the military. No one is polishing that turd. Those actions by the murdering thugs are inexcusable. It is doubtful that anyone here believes that magically things will be better if leadership changes either. You are lobbing accusations and assuming that our compassion and support equates to the dismissal of the horrific things, thereby endorsing those horrific things. That is unfair and simply put - WRONG.
I think most of us would admit that we can't imagine what you went through in service of our country, but that we are very thankful that you volunteered for such a noble duty. It would be entirely understandable that you would harbor resentment. But personally, I don't think it is acceptable to blame an entire group of people for the negative actions of a minority group. (e.g., I'm pro-life but that doesn't mean I blow up clinics.) And to wish death on the entire group exceeds crudeness, as you claimed.
So yes, I'm admonishing you for some of your comments because you never gave anyone here the benefit of the doubt when you started your tirade. And you erroneously presumed you were the only enlightened one on the subject with the only correct points of view, while you projected the kind of intolerance that you claim to resent.
Posted by: conservativebelle at June 18, 2009 07:23 AM (p3r+m)
^but Blarg is one of those Hot Air trolls who love to go to other sites, start shit, and then run away to Allah, the ultimate crybaby on the internet.
And something is wrong with somebody who has to remind everybody in every. Freaking. Comment. that they served in the military.
Hey, I was a Commissioned Officer, but you don't hear me bringing that up as some sort of "appeal to authority" deal.
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