November 04, 2009
The EUnuchs say Italy has to remove crosses from classrooms.
That could be huge for a few reasons.
First, for Italians the Catholic Church is theirs. They own it, they're very casual about their religion, but that's because they've owned the Church for so long. Sure the last two popes weren't Italian, but before that they were Italian for a long time. The last non-Italian pope might have been during the Avignon Papacy (when there were two popes for a while), at least the last non-Italian pope was hundreds of years ago.
They're Catholic and that's that, at mass they'll bring lunch, climb over the pews to chat with friends and are generally very possessive about the Church.
Second, and possibly even more important than the first point, is that they're having problems with Muslim immigrants. They're new immigrants and aren't very assimilated and they're mostly still poor and are the beggars. The French and some other countries just stick their Muslims in ghettos and let them be poor and unassimilated, Italy hasn't gone that route. They're the country most like America in that respect (I think of them as our hillbillly cousins).
When I was there in the 80s, black Africans were a decent sized immigrant class, but they were assimilating and they worked hard. They weren't disliked, they were even liked as they were often the ones selling stuff on the streets the way you can buy stuff in Chinatown in NYC or something. Italians like buying stuff that "fell off the truck", it's in their psyche (the stuff in the Egypt museum in Turin "fell of the truck", Napoleon was transporting his plunder through Italy to France and it was in Turin when he fell so they kept it.)
Muslims aren't learning Italian and they aren't even trying to assimilate. I saw a number of newspaper articles when I was there talking about how Muslims had little loyalty to Italy. There were also stickers all over the place with "Muslim" with the red circle and slash (no Muslims in other words).
Third, Italians already aren't really happy about being part of EUnuchstan, they really don't like the Euro very much, or at least the ones I talked to in 2006 didn't. Pretty much everyone I talked to wanted the Lira back.
Italians are a weird people. They're not into conflict in general, they just want to eat, drink and be merry. But..... I don't think they're as beat down as so many of the other EUnuchstanian people appear to be so I have a feeling this will be huge.
The EUnuchs are telling them to change their whole culture and the Italians will see it as the EUnuchs sticking up for Muslims against them.
The backlash against the EU and Muslims could be huge.
The decision is being appealed, I predict that appeal will fail and I predict that Berlusconi will then tell the EU to go screw and that he'll be viciously attacked in the media (the part he doesn't own) and will become even more popular with the Italian people.
It'll be interesting to see what happens after that. I don't know if they'll revolt against the EU, but I bet a lot that they'll never let them take the crucifixes from their classrooms.
I have to admit, I agree. Italy was like that when the Muslims moved in, if they didn't like the Catholic Church they shouldn't have gone to Italy, they should go where they are willing to be dhimmis.
What the EU does after that will be interesting. They'll do economic stuff against Italy and then it gets interesting. Overreach can be an ugly thing.
Saw the link the same place as you, Hot Air headlines.
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Yeah, that Mussolini was a really sweet guy. I kid, I kid, I actually agree with you. On the surface it's all vino and love. Underneath? Slit your throat and charge you for the smile.
Posted by: alexthechick at November 04, 2009 08:57 AM (8WZWv)
Never did a better leader have a worse people. They really wanted to be worthy of him but they just weren't Romans anymore.
I have relatives who fought in Africa in WWII. I talked to one of them about it, they didn't want to go but they really liked Mussolini but once the war got rolling, they really didn't like it.
His unit surrendered to the first American unit they ran into.
My mother told me a story from WWII about a news report she saw on some News Reel in the movies.
After Italy capitulated the Germans were trying to force them to stay "loyal".
So a town closed its gates, two Germans went up, with pistols only, the Italians surrendered and then threw a party to celebrate the Germans victory.
My views might be skewed because I only know Northern Italians very well, I don't know the Southern Italian side of my family at all.
Posted by: Veeshir at November 04, 2009 09:07 AM (aiOKj)
Alessandra Mussolini, granddaughter of Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini, said rulings such as that by the court were leading to "a Europe without an identity."
Huh... now WHY would the Reuters reporter think to question the granddaughter of Mussolini on this? Was she involved with the case? No. Well then she must be a human rights lawyer to explain the EU's position, right? No. She's a school teacher? No.
She's the goddamn granddaughter of a Fascist dictator, and she disagrees with the EU Human Rights Court. CLEARLY anyone who thinks this is a bad ruling must really be a Fascist at heart, right?
I fucking hate Reuters.
Posted by: MikeD at November 04, 2009 09:10 AM (FkL60)
Exactly MikeD, EUnuchstanian Minitru is going to go all out against Italy on this, and when Berlusconi tells the EUnuchs to go screw? They're going to freak out. That'll upset the Italians even more. You can screw with a lot of stuff with Italians, but don't mess with their food or their religion.
One thing alex, I didn't realize I had edited out one part I meant to leave in.
They're still Europeans, and we all know that the one thing Europeans do as well as they export murderous governmental ideologies (like, oh... say fascism) is go on killing sprees.
It's what they've done for thousands of years and they're forgetting the lesson of having armies ravage their continent, the ones who remember it are very old and the younguns think America is the cause of all wars.
I've been expecting a backlash against Muslims in many countries, this could be a spark to start it for real.
Posted by: Veeshir at November 04, 2009 10:16 AM (zXUuJ)
Yup, Steyn's been saying that too. Something will go too far and then Europe will return to form. I hate to admit it, but I think that's right.
Posted by: alexthechick at November 04, 2009 11:42 AM (8WZWv)
The husband has been saying similar for awhile now. Eventually it will end in body bags - Europe knows no other way.
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