January 24, 2010
This Mutinous Cretin Does Not Speak For Conservatism
Usually, I blow off the "guilt by six degrees of separation" that the left loves to play against us, because I refuse to be cowed for the actions or people I do not know, nor have ever known. Besides, that tactic is disingenuous and lazy. But not this time. This asshole (warning: Lefty link) does not speak for me. This asshole does not speak for conservatism. This asshole needs to get HIS asshole forcibly widened for what he has done. And this asshole needs to be thrown down a hole and forgotten about. The fact that this guy is a child rapist is enough to convince me that he needs to be purged from humanity and civil society, and I would say nothing more about him. But, the fact that he is a member of a group that strikes me as mutinous is something that needs to be called out.
Mutinous? I think so. You see, the Oath Keepers, of which this Charles Dyer cat claims to be a member of, have this as their mission statement:
Umm...an organized and coordinated plan to refuse to follow orders? Last time I checked, this term came up in my UCMJ knowledge.
Mutiny? Yes. Mutiny.
Look pal, if you have issues about orders, there are avenues of redress. But an organized and coordinated plan based not on an abusive or insane Commanding Officer, but (apparently) solely on the fact you do not like who is in charge? NO. FUCKING. WAY. A long time ago, I took a fucking oath to serve the fucking Constitution, and this shit will not be tolerated. This shit will not be allowed anywhere near where I stand. And if I were still in the military, I would have pushed for any Oath Keeper to be arrested on the spot for being involved in an activity as such (besides, I would be arrested if I knew of such a plot and did nothing. But that's another issue for another time).
No. I will not tolerate mutiny or sedition. This Constitution and Republic have a way of cleansing itself without criminal fucking activity. Any asshole who takes the oath and then involves themselves in what appears to be a mutinous endeavor needs to be sent away, for they have violated their commitment and oath. They have violated the Republican (not the party, but the system of government) process, the process that can and will fix itself. And they are of no use to those of us who wish to save this country by legal and electoral means.
Get the fuck out of my sight, Charles Dyer and the rest of you folks associated with him. And stay away from my military.
Mutinous? I think so. You see, the Oath Keepers, of which this Charles Dyer cat claims to be a member of, have this as their mission statement:
Below is our declaration of orders we will NOT obey because we will consider them unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral violations of the natural rights of the people. Such orders would be acts of war against the American people by their own government, and thus acts of treason. We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic.
Umm...an organized and coordinated plan to refuse to follow orders? Last time I checked, this term came up in my UCMJ knowledge.
Mutiny? Yes. Mutiny.
Look pal, if you have issues about orders, there are avenues of redress. But an organized and coordinated plan based not on an abusive or insane Commanding Officer, but (apparently) solely on the fact you do not like who is in charge? NO. FUCKING. WAY. A long time ago, I took a fucking oath to serve the fucking Constitution, and this shit will not be tolerated. This shit will not be allowed anywhere near where I stand. And if I were still in the military, I would have pushed for any Oath Keeper to be arrested on the spot for being involved in an activity as such (besides, I would be arrested if I knew of such a plot and did nothing. But that's another issue for another time).
No. I will not tolerate mutiny or sedition. This Constitution and Republic have a way of cleansing itself without criminal fucking activity. Any asshole who takes the oath and then involves themselves in what appears to be a mutinous endeavor needs to be sent away, for they have violated their commitment and oath. They have violated the Republican (not the party, but the system of government) process, the process that can and will fix itself. And they are of no use to those of us who wish to save this country by legal and electoral means.
Get the fuck out of my sight, Charles Dyer and the rest of you folks associated with him. And stay away from my military.
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thank you for your service, eddie.
Posted by: mrfixit at January 24, 2010 05:59 AM (Bsm1s)
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thanks, but I didn't do much, and I did it adequately. But this deal here does bother me.
Posted by: eddiebear at January 24, 2010 09:14 AM (E6kBB)
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I'll be in my room, watching the "California Highway Patrol officers mug little old lady to confiscate her gun" portion of 'Listening to Katrina'.
Posted by: DaveP. at January 24, 2010 09:15 AM (6iy97)
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I'd also like to point out that just because someone speaks at a Tea Party, this does not make them a 'Tea Party Leader'.
Posted by: Alice H at January 24, 2010 09:40 AM (qJHYy)
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I'd also like to point out that David Niewert changed the title of his post to 'Oath Keepers Leader' from 'Tea Party Leader' without even bothering to note that he changed it, days after his original post.
Posted by: Alice H at January 24, 2010 09:46 AM (qJHYy)
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but (apparently) solely on the fact you do not like who is in charge?
I would have bet money that I had heard about them before last year, but their blogspot blog started 3/09 and Wikipedia claims the same, maybe it was just talk, less organized or maybe I'm just wrong (gasp!).
That makes it worse. I don't trust Obama at all but I don't think he deserves that response.
Especially since these people already swore an oath to the Constitution, that pretty much covers everything.
I also don't trust people, rather, I do trust them.
To do stupid shit.
So we have a bunch of people who are all torqued about defending the Constitution.
What happens when some of the more militant decide (rationalize) that the Constitution needs saving before the rest of the country thinks that?
I don't know if Heinlein said it first, but this is spot on from the story, "Gulf", "Man isn't a rational species, he's a rationalizing species."
People talking about Mutiny scare me. It rarely ends well.
I would have bet money that I had heard about them before last year, but their blogspot blog started 3/09 and Wikipedia claims the same, maybe it was just talk, less organized or maybe I'm just wrong (gasp!).
That makes it worse. I don't trust Obama at all but I don't think he deserves that response.
Especially since these people already swore an oath to the Constitution, that pretty much covers everything.
I also don't trust people, rather, I do trust them.
To do stupid shit.
So we have a bunch of people who are all torqued about defending the Constitution.
What happens when some of the more militant decide (rationalize) that the Constitution needs saving before the rest of the country thinks that?
I don't know if Heinlein said it first, but this is spot on from the story, "Gulf", "Man isn't a rational species, he's a rationalizing species."
People talking about Mutiny scare me. It rarely ends well.
Posted by: Veeshir at January 24, 2010 10:10 AM (LCGop)
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I have a LEO friend that is an oath keeper and its not as kooky as that child rapist makes it look. Also, I read over their sight and some cat named Stewart Rhoads is the "leader" and not this child rapist. They have a contact page if you want to ask them about it.
I think Crooks and Liars found some Alex Jones type and propped him up as your "typical" oath keeper.
I think Crooks and Liars found some Alex Jones type and propped him up as your "typical" oath keeper.
Posted by: liquidflorian at January 24, 2010 01:56 PM (hoGGh)
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Yeah, its kinda subjective... I'm sure they want to stay away from situations like Katrina where CHP was mugging old ladies for 38 specials, but I know they also would probably disarm a crowd of protesters at a G8 convention. This seems to stem from the Katrina incidents, but yeah; its a little hypocritical to say that you're not going to do these things, but do them in situations where its warranted. I don't know, it all comes down to discretion I guess but then you're on the slippery slope of who is more worthy of these protections.
Yeah, some of those testimonials had that air to them... I don't know the only experience I've had with the group is their TV appearances and my friend in PD; and I know he isn't that way. The only thing that really grates on me is LEOs who haven't served calling people civilians like its derogatory. I received a ticket from a kid probably no old then 23 who kept doing that through the whole process. When I had enough I asked him if he had a DD214 in his record and he didn't even know what it was.
oh, and a little off topic; SFPD SWAT has a 240B, but yeah I get your point about Mil/LEO.
Yeah, some of those testimonials had that air to them... I don't know the only experience I've had with the group is their TV appearances and my friend in PD; and I know he isn't that way. The only thing that really grates on me is LEOs who haven't served calling people civilians like its derogatory. I received a ticket from a kid probably no old then 23 who kept doing that through the whole process. When I had enough I asked him if he had a DD214 in his record and he didn't even know what it was.
oh, and a little off topic; SFPD SWAT has a 240B, but yeah I get your point about Mil/LEO.
Posted by: liquidflorian at January 24, 2010 03:38 PM (hoGGh)
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Seems to me this sort of organization is unnecessary. If things really get hairy in a fascistic sort of way, there are going to be mass defections/mutinies/AWOLs/insurrections anyway, so there's no point in putting one's self out in the open like this in a way that might be considered mutinous.
Posted by: JoeCollins at January 24, 2010 05:39 PM (jtJig)
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I'll be in my room, watching the "California Highway Patrol officers
mug little old lady to confiscate her gun" portion of 'Listening to
Katrina'.
I understand what you're saying, I think Oathkeepers were partially created in reaction to the illegal gov't seizure of personal legal firearms. Nonetheless, the system ultimately worked, or is working. The NOPD shouldn't have done what they did, and New Orleans is gonna get reamed in the ass with a sandpaper condom in a class action for civil rights violations, assuming they haven't settled for a pile of money already. The system is still working, not great I'll grant you, but it's still working.
I understand what you're saying, I think Oathkeepers were partially created in reaction to the illegal gov't seizure of personal legal firearms. Nonetheless, the system ultimately worked, or is working. The NOPD shouldn't have done what they did, and New Orleans is gonna get reamed in the ass with a sandpaper condom in a class action for civil rights violations, assuming they haven't settled for a pile of money already. The system is still working, not great I'll grant you, but it's still working.
Posted by: doubleplusundead at January 24, 2010 07:21 PM (N/KIT)
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...New Orleans is gonna get reamed in the ass with a sandpaper condom in a
class action for civil rights violations, assuming they haven't settled
for a pile of money already.
Last I had heard was earlier this year folks were only just getting some of their guns back. A lot are still "missing"...
Last I had heard was earlier this year folks were only just getting some of their guns back. A lot are still "missing"...
Posted by: liquidflorian at January 24, 2010 08:25 PM (hoGGh)
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Last I had heard was earlier this year folks were only just getting some of their guns back. A lot are still "missing"...
Yeah, and I can guarantee if they can't come up with those "missing" guns, they're gonna either hand over a pile of money to replace said guns, and pay for damages, both in property value and emotional damages (because undoubtedly people lost heirlooms because of the NOPD's stupidity), or the NRA's legal defense fund or some civil rights attorney is going to come down on them like the fist from an angry God.
Yeah, and I can guarantee if they can't come up with those "missing" guns, they're gonna either hand over a pile of money to replace said guns, and pay for damages, both in property value and emotional damages (because undoubtedly people lost heirlooms because of the NOPD's stupidity), or the NRA's legal defense fund or some civil rights attorney is going to come down on them like the fist from an angry God.
Posted by: doubleplusundead at January 25, 2010 12:00 AM (N/KIT)
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I'm just stopping by to say this for the record. Not only was Charles Dyer never a leader in OK , he was never even a member.
The left has been calling him that -shame on you for just repeating it.
He spoke at a tea party and gave an oath ceremony as did dozens of other people. A standard speech and general oath were placed on the old OK blog, inviting any veteran to read it off and swear in the crowd.
He was one of them.
By the way, it is absolutely illegal to obey an unlawful order.
Getting attacked on all sides for wanting to uphold the constitution. I wish my husband had never started this thing.
-Tasha Rhodes
The left has been calling him that -shame on you for just repeating it.
He spoke at a tea party and gave an oath ceremony as did dozens of other people. A standard speech and general oath were placed on the old OK blog, inviting any veteran to read it off and swear in the crowd.
He was one of them.
By the way, it is absolutely illegal to obey an unlawful order.
Getting attacked on all sides for wanting to uphold the constitution. I wish my husband had never started this thing.
-Tasha Rhodes
Posted by: tasha rhodes at February 24, 2010 04:05 PM (WBPOB)
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He was called a "member of", not a leader.
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