March 15, 2010

And it has come to this

The good folks at Hillbuzz are asking if Obama could be arrested if the Slaughter Solution is used.

I'm going to set aside the mind bottling fact that we are even discussing this option for a moment and focus on that question. 

While my immediate response is hell yes, it's not that simple.  The issue is whether or not such a signature would be a crime.  I just managed to claw through crim law and have blessedly not done a damn thing with criminal law since then.  Off the top of my head, I can't think of a statutory violation.  A blatant violation of Constitutional requirements isn't actually a crime in the sense of there being a specific statute under which Obama could be charged.  Depending on how the Supremes rule, it may fall under an Honest Services violation.  But beyond that, I'm not sure such a signature would constitute a criminal violation.

There's also a distinction between illegal and criminal.  This is clearly improper and any "law" passed in this fashion would be void ab initio.  Again, that does not equate to criminality.

Now, that's not to say that Obama can't be impeached.  Impeachment proceedings aren't precisely criminal.  My position is that if this occurs, every single Senator, Congressman and Pres. Obama should be thrown out of office instantly for violating their oaths of office.  It's the mechanism of that which is problematic.  Actual arrests are rather horrifying to consider.  But then again, so is the shredding of the Constitution.

So my analysis would be that this isn't a criminal action (and I'm really really not going down the treason road that way lies madness) but it would and should be impeachable.

You know, for all the Left shrieked about Bush shredding the Constitution, I seem to recall that all of those actions were actually voted on and proceeded through Congress in the proper way.  Projection much?

h/t Alice H.

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1 I seriously doubt any Congress has passed a law criminalizing their votes, impeachment would be the only available option. Gerald Ford stated an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House considers it to be (paraphrasing); conviction is whatever 2/3's of the Senate believes is serious enough for removal. Mass impeachments is a pipe dream.
Extra credit for "mind bottling".

Posted by: Dr. Spank at March 15, 2010 09:00 PM (muUqs)

2 Even if you were to assume that signing the HealthCare Monstrosity would constitute both an illegal and criminal act by Obama, I believe that he (and the members of Congress) enjoy immunity for actions taken in the course of their regular duties as elected representatives. So signing the bill might theoretically open Obama up to criminal liability, but he wouldn't be subject to arrest until 2012 at the earliest. Take the above with a good-sized salt lick, though. Like alex, I haven't studied crim law in a good 15 years and I skipped most of the lectures.

Posted by: Greg at March 15, 2010 09:56 PM (RRwb4)

3 I am a big fan of "process" and the compact between us and our elected representatives, as it relates to almost anything involving Congress, and this rule is turning process on its head and dunking it in the outhouse. And that is what pisses me off the most.
*cough*

But I am not wild about arrests, and don't even want to go down the "treason" path. Just vote their asses out.

Posted by: eddiebear at March 15, 2010 10:24 PM (FQ9Iz)

4 Um, without clicking on the link, I've just gotta ask...who exactly would arrest him?

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