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I'm not discussing if there is a higher ed bubble*, I'm just talking about this the pic at the link.
Written on the pic is:
"Four years for a BS with honors
6 years for a Ph.D
Now, I work 70 hours a week for $30K
It just wasn't worth it. I want my 20s back"
If you're working 70 hours for $30k I'm gonna guess neither your BS nor your master's nor your Ph.D required any math and since you don't say J.D, you're not being abused by a law firm.
But that's not the point.
The point is the "I want my 20s back."
Waaaaaahhhhhh.
You partied your ass off for your 20s on your parent's dime and loans.
You didn't want to go out into the "real world" so you kept going for your Ph.D in 12th century French poetry or Linguistics of the Patriarchy and now have to work your butt off teaching English at a community college or something.
In other words, you partied your ass off and got some useless degrees and now you're mad?
Color me totally uncaring.
*I would suggest there is one for high-dollar schools.
I went to state schools when I went back so my student loan payments are around $130/month.
And that only because I didn't feel like working full time+ the last two years, I had no loans for the first two years, no sleep, but no loans.
I tutored for pocket money and let loans pay my $350/month rent and pot of stew every week for the last two years in Fucking Utica.
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You know what? I'm actually on that person's side because I've said that over and over and over again. I worked by fucking ass off from the time I was 8 years old, seriously, I'm not kidding, 8 years old, in order to get perfect grades in high school so I could then go to a good college where I got perfect grades so I could get into a good law school where I worked my ass off to get through. I sure as fuck didn't party my ass off. In fact, I've actually said more than once that I will continue paying taxes to support those who did as long as I get back every drink I didn't have, every drug I didn't take, every person I didn't fuck and every party I didn't attend.
Posted by: alexthechick at October 25, 2010 01:52 PM (bQ5xy)
I specifically said, "No JD", and assumed no math.
If you have a Ph.D in some engineering field, you can get a job.
Posted by: Veeshir at October 25, 2010 01:56 PM (eheNv)
Your only fault, alex, is that of naivety: You assumed that hard work and personal responsibility would correlate with success. You assumed that society would reward you for being productive. I hate to tell you this (although you already know), but the joke's on you, me, and everyone else who tried to do the right thing.
It's not so much that college degrees are increasingly worthless, it's that there is little differentiation between those who worked hard for their degree and those who partied their 20s away and got a degree in underwater basket weaving. The real question is: what to do about it? As you're a lawyer, I suggest shifting your focus to real estate law, as that is going to be a growth industry for a long time to come.
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I'm trying to get out of the field entirely. Of course, so is everyone else.
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I hate to brag, but I graduated from college with less than $1,000 worth of loans, mainly because I had a small electrical fire under the hood of my old '73 Plymouth Satellite the summer before my last year, and I also finally decided to fix the gasoline leaking from the carbs of my KZ900 in order to prevent a major fire from happening.
Of course, it helps that I went to a State land-grant college paying in-state tuition, and that I had years of savings AND a herd of about 10 cattle helping pay my way through. But I spent 5 years studying AND partying my ass off and managed to get a pretty useful engineering degree for my trouble.
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at October 25, 2010 07:31 PM (/MEFr)
If I wasn't so lazy my last two years, I wouldn't have any loans.
I worked one month waiting tables and tending bar in Fucking Utica and realized I wasn't going to be able to pay my way without working a lot more than I wanted.
10% is a good tip in Fucking Utica. Most people give you a dollar after telling you how good a waiter you were. My last weekend I waited tables Friday night and tended bar Sat and Sun, I made less than $100 for the weekend. Next day I went for loans and got a job tutoring.
I have to admit, I couldn't party much. I was 30+, so a partier is more likely an alcoholic at that age, but I just can't do higher math even the day after drinking a lot.
I kept my partying to Thursday night (no Friday classes).
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I have graduate degrees in chemistry and occupational health (think OSHA). They are mostly worthless without experience. Experience is GOD when it comes to job offers, and even having an internship didn't help me.
If you are a college-age person, sell yourself into slavery if you have to in order to get experience. Bribe someone if you have to, but that magic 3 to 5 years is worth solid gold. If you do get a college degree, look for jobs and see what they want first.
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(Via xbradtc in the comments at H2.)
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No reason to bash people who agree with you 80% of the time, which is true, as frum likes to mention, but frum has no problem spending 100% of his time bashing people he disagree's with 20% of the time.
The 80%'s need to check their own house before they start turning into batting cage pitchers of stones, like Mataconis, and Moran.
Good thing about things like D-pud and AMA and Hostages and the Moronosphere in general is that we have a pretty good idea of who we are allied with.
Even when I crossed the line it was a personal thing, not an ideological one, but Frum wants a business and hires a scumbag cuz he talked perty, how's his mouth shaped? Would he do well in prison? or would he do VERY WELL in prison?
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The frum thing was not a pro-pedofreak article. It was shining a light on the cockroaches that are out there. There was some shock value in the article (Although I couldn't read the entire thing, my puke reflex was kicking in)
I did a lot of work for some agencies/individuals/groups trying to stop online child porn and exploitation of young (sometimes very young) children. Some of the web content we found would make frum's piece look like the pope himself wrote it.
Child porn/molestation/rape/exploitation is a serious problem, and the internet makes the slugs evilness easier for them. Casting a light on their "Deeds" is not entirely bad. However; to just cast a light on it is the easy part. Finding out the person behind it is difficult and it often leads to foreign countries. BUT when you put the pedo-freaks away with the help of LEO's it sure makes your work worth it.
I don't read Frum anyway, occasionally I'll hit a link that takes me to the site for something, but it's not on my daily read list...
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Fun Fact: In the fifth grade, I actually sat next to his niece. Nice girl, and pretty, too. And she never expressed any hostility to any ethnic or religious group that I can remember.
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