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At least some of the noisier Japanese want us gone. My question, do we need to stay in Okinawa? We have bases in South Korea and Taiwan in that region. They need us, Japan doesn't.
Japan can defend themselves and nobody really wants to invade them anyway. The original reason we stayed was because we didn't trust the Japanese, but these days they are too into fucking robots, marrying cartoon characters and generally leading the world in "weird and creepy" to want to invade anybody else. They mostly want the world to leave them alone except to buy their stuff. Their biggest threat is the poofy-haired maniac lobbing missiles, and we have cruisers and whatnot for that and they can field their missile defense. They're probably helping us and the Israelis build the systems anyway.
It seems to me there's no reason not to be out of western Europe and Japan. They don't need us and those bases cost us money. We can keep those soldiers in places where they're needed.
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My theory is when a country starts bitching the bases, we say "k" and leave and then watch the delicious tears fall at the realization of what that'll do to the economy there. Kinda like in Germany when we made noises about going at it was all "No, baby, I didn't mean, come back, baby, I love you, Ike just gets a little crazy sometimes".
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No bases in Taiwan. Okinowa is a very important basing system for the southeast Pacific area. There are no navy or marine bases in Korea. Guam is just too small to add much more there.
Posted by: Federale at January 31, 2010 07:12 PM (F2BPM)
Something you hear very little about is how much of the "Yankee Bases OUT!" jive is founded in the high price of real estate. We saw this very clearly when the Puerto Ricans demanded that we close the live-fire range in Vieques- and it turns out that the big reason was so that the land could be sold at a hideous profit to developers. The action is much the same in Japan, only more so: when you have a few square miles of American military bases sitting on land that might be worth four digits per square yard to a local developer, there's campaign donations a-plenty to the mayor or governor who can organize a street march or petition in "opposition to Yankee imperialism", or whatever.
IOW: Screw the Japanese.
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Huh, I assumed we had Marine, Navy and Army bases in Taiwan. We do have at least one airbase, Cha Shan Air Base. I checked and according to this wikipedia link, most of our Marine bases in that area of the Pacific are on Okinawa. I did not know that. That changes things a little, but I wonder if we can move them somewhere else in the area, like Taiwan (wouldn't that cheese off China?) or South Korea. (Don't let Murtha get involved, he thinks Okinawa is just over the horizon from Iraq)
It looks as if Okinawa is what we need. Oh well. I had hoped to have an idea for making people love us telling some idjits to go screw.
I really wish we could just tell the world to screw off, but as we learned in 1917 and 1941, that just isn't possible.
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I don't really understand how the researchers recombine the robots' "genomes" to make "generations", but they do so I'll let it slide. What they did was let robots run around doing stuff, the ones who did what they wanted best "reproduced", they kept going until the populations were stable, in other words, didn't learn anymore (except once).
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It never stabilized. Which makes them uniquely like people I think, these guys must be on the right track.
It seems to me that animals stabilize how they get their prey and how they avoid their predators, that's why new predators or prey can destroy an eco-system. Man is the animal that best evolves its strategery in killing. It seems to stabilize, but then someone figures out a better way to do it an off we go. That's how empires are founded, like the Romans or the Greeks before them. Not many animals do that and none do it nearly as well.
Interesting and, I also think, important if they can evolve an intelligent robot.
We know lots of stuff, but not a lot of people know a lot about a lot of stuff and nobody can know everything we know all at once. A brilliant physicist doesn't know all that a brilliant astronomer does and neither of them know what a brilliant mathematician knows.
Asimov, I think, wrote science-fictionally about how a lot of advances were made very quickly simply because a thinking machine could know lots of stuff and correlate it to do unexpected stuff. That would be cool. If we could make reasoning computers they could figure out important stuff, like how to shut up a global warmmonger or make the perfect s'mores.
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Posted by: alexthechick at January 31, 2010 02:46 PM (TtXKB)
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How is it remotely evolution if the robots were built and programmed by intelligent agents?? Basically what you have here is a cut and dry case of confirmation bias: they code the robots to 'evolve' and, lo and behold, they do so.
Basically, there is nothing at all to see here and they certainly aren't on the right track of anything except the leading edge of a tautology.
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It depends on how they "reproduced" I guess. As I wrote, I was taking them at their word. In this process, genomes are paired (to allow recombination) and random
mutations (e.g., character substitution, insertion, deletion, or
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But I also disagree on the tautology thing, why didn't the predator/prey stabilize like the rest? That's obviously what they wanted. And what's the deal with the homing scenario and where it stabilized? It looked like natural selection to me, selected ones reproduced, isn't that what evolution is?
Posted by: Veeshir at January 31, 2010 02:56 PM (CbYaR)
If you imagine a robot that can code new strategies for itself, it's pretty obvious how they could evolve. Those who coded better strategies would have their code combined and transferred to the next generation of robot, etc. etc. While these robots don't code their own strategies, the better strategies are still selected through trial and error.
It's been assumed for a while that AI would be best achieved through heuristics. This evolutionary strategy is more of a forced heuristic approach, as the robots don't have the ability to learn in and of themselves -- the learning occurs at the generational barrier. A combination of heuristics and evolution (essentially how humans improve) would be a powerful approach towards AI.
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In this sense, "evolution" refers to Genetic Algorithm programming, which is essentially a very peculiar way to do a blind search. Each individual in the population has a string of bits that are analogous to a genome, defining some number of character traits and behaviors. Populations are generated (usually randomly for generation 1), and some "fit" sub-population is selected and used to generate a subsequent generation.
There are varying methods for selection (shootouts, best X %, etc.) and generation (randomly changing a genome is called mutation, combining genomes is called crossover, and is roughly analogous to breeding. It's most accurate to say that this kind of programming looks like how we think evolution works. Specific individuals really have combinations of possible traits. The only thing the programmer defines ahead of time is what shape the traits might take. In this sense, it's like evolution, since biological organisms are ultimately limited in the forms they may take by the DNA that defines them, and in that all DNA gives is a rough guideline of "whatever DNA can build that can build more DNA".
I actually built one of these for grad class to do curve fitting. I guarantee you that there was no way I'd ever have come up with the same solution as the one that my code "evolved" for me.
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Now, give me one good reason for that.
Even if he had some non-retarded goal, he was acting very stupidly.
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I don't know why he would think it a wise idea to do something totally illegal, though. Didn't someone try to bring charges against him for the ACORN stings? I would think that would make a rational person seriously evaluate the legality of further investigative action.
But yeah, he's a dumbass.
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still, more details need to be known before any assumptions should be made.
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I think that is a stupid goal, but I'm of the opinion that if there is a reasonable goal (rather than this stupid conjecture) then that makes this impossible to ignore. Also he's not a journalist, he called himself an activist several times, and this was a stupid sting and a stupid goal (seamingly) But I have a question.
What the flying eff is a noone doing alone in the office of a governor, with only one staffer/witness present? I think that if this is just a gimmick to draw attention to something else involving the governor or the governors office staff, then he must be sitting on something significant.
In my opinions, he just hired the wrong people to do a job that shouldn't have been done to begin with, and was supremely stupid, but if he actually has a different endgame rather than what the story as it exists is, then I hope it's worth the short term hit.
And you are right, activists of this kind and "investigative journalists" are scum, fundamentaly disloyal to all things that aren't themselves.
That doesn't mean that this wasn't a part of something else entirely.
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Everything O'Keefe was connected to is now completely useless. It doesn't matter what the outcome of this investigation shows. James O'Keefe is now damaged goods and is through.
Andrew Breitbart must be the most pissed off guy on the planet right about now. I know I would be if I were him.
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I don't know how that country can ever recover. It seems almost certain that Haiti as it has been is gone and a new country will have to rise up and take its place.
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I'm shocked as hell that the civil unrest isn't more widespread and deadly. I guess these people are used to the government failing them and being on their own. I can only imagine if such levels of incompetence were being displayed in a recovery effort here in the US. It makes the Katrina debacle pale in comparison
Posted by: Goober at January 18, 2010 02:39 PM (QNRoi)
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Did anybody else hear the announcer in yesterday's Jets/Chargers game call it "Hatia" (Haysha)? Not Simms, the other guy.
Posted by: Veeshir at January 18, 2010 04:19 PM (DH2fI)
Haiti is ungovernable*, and all our well-meaning aid to the survivors won't change that. I would rather not see American forces tied down in a place that is basically Somalia with more seashore and I don't think there'll be a phoenix to rise from these ashes.
*Ungovernable by Western standards: the deeds required to make Haiti into a (non-totalitarian) functioning state are such that no Western government would support them . You can't make bricks without straw, you can't keep peace where there is none originally, and you can't 'restore' a functioning government to a place where there hasn't been one in over a generation.
Posted by: DaveP. at January 18, 2010 05:38 PM (q6tuN)
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We'd have to take it as something like Guam or Puerto Rico, except with lots of machetes and home-made guns. declare martial law, send about a brazillion military police (not Marines) with lots of nasty riot gear for a lot of years. Cannonize Aristide if he shows up, they must have some big black powder cannons in some old French fort/tourist attraction/thug's HQ.
After the MPs get along doing their thing, send in Haliburton to "rebuild" it (this time, with rebar!). It would be much easier than Iraq, there would not be an endless supply of crazed suicidals, just a bunch of dudes "fucking up in a fucked up world" (to steal a line from Eric Flint's 1632).
If the gov't wasn't just a bunch of corrupt thugs stealing everything in sight, they'd probably rather be working and eating like, food and stuff, if we're the gov't, that takes care of the source of most of the problems that country faces. After that, it would probably be a cool place. We could get some evil logging companies to go down to figure out how to make some forests quick, some golf courses and get Hilton and co. in there because they can trust the gov't (US, well, sorta trust them) and then Haiti is a good vacay spot.
That's not what's gonna happen. The UN will "organize" things, so only people with cute kids will get the aid, the NGOs will get high and screw children and the UN apparatchiks skim off the top half of the $billions and then, when the world gets tired of paying attention, Haiti goes back to its hell.
It sucks to be Haitian. Even Cuba probably looks good from there.
Posted by: Veeshir at January 18, 2010 08:25 PM (j7Zj7)
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I say we send atc down there with a stompyboots battallion, 6 months later, viola, alextopia!
Posted by: mrfixit at January 18, 2010 08:52 PM (Bsm1s)
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mrfixit, great idea. The pay-per-view rights alone would pay to rebuild the country afterward.
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