May 07, 2010
Thoughts on the Palin/Fiorina endorsement
She's taking a fair bit of abuse for the decision to endorse Carly Fiorina over Chuck DeVore. From what I've seen of DeVore, I like him, he's a good conservative. I'm not a big fan of Fiorina, my gut tells me she'll be a west coast version of Snowe and Collins...and of course there's the chance she'll go full retard like Schwarzenegger. That said, this is the Soviet of California we're talking about. That state is on the verge of becoming what Greece currently is and doesn't seem to care.
I've noted on here that I'm not purely against supporting RINOy candidates, to a point (Lincoln Chafee and Arnold being prime examples of RINOs being more trouble than what they're worth). I'm fine with RINOy candidates in Commie havens. I'm thrilled Scott Brown won in Massachusetts, and yet I fully expect him to be a fairly RINOy Senator during his tenure. Of course, where there are pockets of conservatism in leftist states, we should try and promote good conservative House candidates.
What I really have a problem with is RINOs where there is no need for RINOs. Why the fuck is Lindsey Graham still a Senator? My God, he's in South Carolina, you're telling me there's no eeeeeeevil right wing Republicans to challenge and defeat McCain's yappy little lap poodle? None? I don't believe it, not for a second. McCain needs to go too now that I mention it. And there are a lot of these guys who are so fucking clueless and out of touch that they just need replaced, Cornyn and Hatch come to mind.
So I'm not too bothered by Palin's decision, I think for her own political well-being, she'd have been better off keeping her head down and staying out of the CA GOP primary, but I don't find her move unreasonable. We should be looking for opportunities to expand the GOP when possible, even RINOs can be useful, and having a few more, especially in the Senate, can work well, as long as they understand what it is they're doing in there. I'd ideally like a solid majority of wingnutty wingnuts, but that isn't easy to make happen. But if we have a core of conservatives and enough RINOs to go around, we can do more that needs done because the RINOs can dilute the political damage done to themselves when they vote in a way that pisses off their left leaning constituencies.
I've noted on here that I'm not purely against supporting RINOy candidates, to a point (Lincoln Chafee and Arnold being prime examples of RINOs being more trouble than what they're worth). I'm fine with RINOy candidates in Commie havens. I'm thrilled Scott Brown won in Massachusetts, and yet I fully expect him to be a fairly RINOy Senator during his tenure. Of course, where there are pockets of conservatism in leftist states, we should try and promote good conservative House candidates.
What I really have a problem with is RINOs where there is no need for RINOs. Why the fuck is Lindsey Graham still a Senator? My God, he's in South Carolina, you're telling me there's no eeeeeeevil right wing Republicans to challenge and defeat McCain's yappy little lap poodle? None? I don't believe it, not for a second. McCain needs to go too now that I mention it. And there are a lot of these guys who are so fucking clueless and out of touch that they just need replaced, Cornyn and Hatch come to mind.
So I'm not too bothered by Palin's decision, I think for her own political well-being, she'd have been better off keeping her head down and staying out of the CA GOP primary, but I don't find her move unreasonable. We should be looking for opportunities to expand the GOP when possible, even RINOs can be useful, and having a few more, especially in the Senate, can work well, as long as they understand what it is they're doing in there. I'd ideally like a solid majority of wingnutty wingnuts, but that isn't easy to make happen. But if we have a core of conservatives and enough RINOs to go around, we can do more that needs done because the RINOs can dilute the political damage done to themselves when they vote in a way that pisses off their left leaning constituencies.
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I despise Fiorina. If she's the nominee, I'm not voting in that particular race. As I've said many times, I'm through voting for the lesser of two evils.
CA has the ability to go conservative. It's not nearly as homogeneous as MA. Sure, LA and San Fran/Oakland/Bezerkley are hard left, but a lot of the rest of the state is moderate to conservative.
As for Palin's endorsement? She's working within the establishment a lot more than I would like. I think she's going to end up a flash-in-the-pan. I don't see any real political future for her. Of course, politically I'm wrong a lot, so she'll probably be our next Prez.
Posted by: Hermit Dave at May 07, 2010 01:42 AM (WhFvm)
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I don't understand anyone endorsing anyone in primaries. I don't like it. Allows for accusations of factions within. Only exception is if there is an existing direct relationship, like in case of palin supporting mccain. They have history.
But otherwise? It just creates resentment "I would have won the primary if it wasn't for that pesky snowbilly!" or some such.
But otherwise? It just creates resentment "I would have won the primary if it wasn't for that pesky snowbilly!" or some such.
Posted by: Douglas at May 07, 2010 03:01 AM (uU+Ss)
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CA has the ability to go conservative. It's not nearly as homogeneous as MA.
True, but are we sure CA can really go conservative? IIRC, you're in CA, so you might be more in tune with what the state's political climate is. From my end, I've seen polls of CA where they're far more enthusiastic about Obama's gov't expansion and agenda than anyone else by far, even leftist havens like MA (gonna try and find that link), it makes me think that while there's a looooot of good conservatives in CA, that there's just an insurmountable number of leftists there as well. Which is why I'm not that hung up on the endorsement, though I think the best move would have been to stay out of it.
True, but are we sure CA can really go conservative? IIRC, you're in CA, so you might be more in tune with what the state's political climate is. From my end, I've seen polls of CA where they're far more enthusiastic about Obama's gov't expansion and agenda than anyone else by far, even leftist havens like MA (gonna try and find that link), it makes me think that while there's a looooot of good conservatives in CA, that there's just an insurmountable number of leftists there as well. Which is why I'm not that hung up on the endorsement, though I think the best move would have been to stay out of it.
Posted by: doubleplusundead at May 07, 2010 07:17 AM (k6VDc)
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"Why the fuck is Lindsey Graham still a Senator? My God, he's in South Carolina, you're telling me there's no eeeeeeevil right wing Republicans to challenge and defeat McCain's yappy little lap poodle?"
Last election he was up for was 2008. In the primary, I voted for his opponent. Lindsey trounced him. Why? Name recognition, he's been there a while, and most folks think of him as the Republican firebrand Congressman in the Clinton impeachment. He ran ads all primary about how gosh-darned Conservative he was. In short, he lied (*gasp* a lying politician? Who'd have thunk it?). When the general election came, I voted for him. Remember, at the time, we were scrambling to prevent a Dem supermajority in the Senate. So I did what I could to get rid of him, but when it was him, or the far Left-er Dem running against him, he was it.
Last election he was up for was 2008. In the primary, I voted for his opponent. Lindsey trounced him. Why? Name recognition, he's been there a while, and most folks think of him as the Republican firebrand Congressman in the Clinton impeachment. He ran ads all primary about how gosh-darned Conservative he was. In short, he lied (*gasp* a lying politician? Who'd have thunk it?). When the general election came, I voted for him. Remember, at the time, we were scrambling to prevent a Dem supermajority in the Senate. So I did what I could to get rid of him, but when it was him, or the far Left-er Dem running against him, he was it.
Posted by: MikeD at May 07, 2010 09:04 AM (FkL60)
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Issue-wise I'm not that concerned about Carly, and I think she would be notably more reliable than the Maine gals, if still a little squishy. But her tenure as HP's CEO leaves a lot of room for criticism -- some of it very legitimate, some of it not so legitimate. When the TV ads say she exported jobs, ran her company into the ground, and took a golden parachute, there's not much she can do to counter that message.
I'm not super hot on DeVore because, like DPUD, I'm not sure he could win in Cali. I've been touting the "conservative with a moderate voice" thing for about a year now, and I think DeVore is weak on the second part of that formula. A conservative can win in more places than you'd think, but they have to have a softer touch and know which issues to emphasize.
But maybe I'm wrong, so I'm keeping my nose out of this one. I'm content to leave the Cali primary voters sort this one out, and Palin should have done the same.
I do find the Palin endorsement interesting from the perspective of tearing down the whole "Palin's a right wing nutjob" narrative. She never really was ridiculously conservative ideologically, it was more a cultural thing.
I'm not super hot on DeVore because, like DPUD, I'm not sure he could win in Cali. I've been touting the "conservative with a moderate voice" thing for about a year now, and I think DeVore is weak on the second part of that formula. A conservative can win in more places than you'd think, but they have to have a softer touch and know which issues to emphasize.
But maybe I'm wrong, so I'm keeping my nose out of this one. I'm content to leave the Cali primary voters sort this one out, and Palin should have done the same.
I do find the Palin endorsement interesting from the perspective of tearing down the whole "Palin's a right wing nutjob" narrative. She never really was ridiculously conservative ideologically, it was more a cultural thing.
Posted by: JoeCollins at May 07, 2010 09:29 AM (WhxlY)
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CA could go conservative? Am I living in the same CA?
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