As much as I hate huge government interventions, I've been convinced that this is necessary in some form. Unfortunately, 2/3rds of the Republicans and 1/3+ of the Democrats voted against it.
Possible reason for the massive Republican opposition? Worst congressional leadership ever:
From a GOP source..
"Pelosi's partisan speech has caused our members to go berserk and may cost us any remaining chance to pass the bill."
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As a non-stockholding fiscal conservative plan whose retirement is so far in the future that he doesn't care if the stock market goes down a few hundred points, I must say EPIC WIN.
As a non-stockholding fiscal conservative plan whose retirement is so
far in the future that he doesn't care if the stock market goes down a
few hundred points, I must say EPIC WIN.
Well, I must admit a part of me rejoices but some aid to liquidity would do wonders for the economy in the short - medium term. I'd like it best if Fannie/Freddie were completely demolished along with.
I'll put it this way. They probably should pass something but I'm not too excited about it either way.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at September 29, 2008 02:06 PM (83gRI)
I'm going to stick by my conservative guns here and say "huzzah!" for now. I'm not all convinced that the short-term benefits outweigh the potential long-term drawbacks of a buyout, much less the precident it would create.
I have to say, I'm really really surprised by this. Happy, yes, but nearly in shock that the House conservatives have held their ground so fiercely.
Ok, now ... both Paulson and Bernacke should resign immediately. Bush needs to get his head out of his ass and try working with some actual fiscal conservatives for once.
I have tons more thoughts bouncing through my head, but need to catch up on the last two hours of news.
Posted by: Hermit Dave at September 29, 2008 02:16 PM (WhFvm)
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Crap. My good boots are off getting resoled. How am I supposed to flee the zombies now?
Posted by: alexthechick at September 29, 2008 02:25 PM (SHHaV)
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Dems are torn between getting their chance to nationalize the credit industry and watching the market tank so zer0bama gets elected. Watching Bareny Frank lose is almost worth it though.
Posted by: Bandit at September 29, 2008 02:45 PM (/R+6i)
One thing I hadn't looked into yet was my Congressman and his position on this. I recently relocated to a new district and hadn't got around to doing my pre-election research until today. Turns out my Congressman is Issa. That's great, as it gives me an actual reason to go to the polls, because he's one of the House conservatives whose been leading the charge against this bailout.
I sent him an email of thanks and suggest that others who have good House members do the same with their representative. Representatives tend to get a lot of complaints, so some positive reinforcement is in order when they do something you like.
Posted by: Hermit Dave at September 29, 2008 02:53 PM (WhFvm)
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The heat packing is a must, of course. And, yes, I've seen the heel-less shoes and ahahahahahahahahahaha. I cannot wait until someone pitches right over backwards.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 29, 2008 03:00 PM (SHHaV)
Heh, Dow finished down 777 ... Jackpot! Sorry, used to live in Vegas and that's a big winner on certain kinds of slots.
Er, and on-topic .... I'm all for sexy boots! Who cares if they're functional or not? On the other hand, it looks like Posh is already leading the zombie invasion ... damn, she looks like waxed shit.
Posted by: Hermit Dave at September 29, 2008 03:32 PM (WhFvm)
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It's still more than I'd like, but it's light years better than the original, and surprisingly better than I'd expected.
Posted by: Hermit Dave at September 28, 2008 11:24 AM (WhFvm)
JEFFREY TOOBIN: What is significant, I think, about these polls is
there tends to be a multiplier effect when these -- about these
debates. That, initially, people aren't quite sure, but once one side
is established as the winner, it becomes a self-fulfilling
prophecy....It is very important, I think, that the first objective
analysis -- you know, not from us, but from polls, and I think it's
consistent across the networks -- all show Obama winning.
I already see two memes being established: 1) Obama tied, so he won. 2) McCain was "disdainful", with comparisons to Gore in 2000.
This needs to be pushed back, because too many people didn't watch the raw footage of the debates, instead relying upon what the Deciders are telling them they saw.
The biggest problem is probably the fact that Jersey's swamps are chock full of bodies and unless the guns those bodies are carrying go off, it's really just free food for the eels.
Posted by: Veeshir at September 25, 2008 09:38 AM (ThMnZ)
This is a potentially huge story ... with pretty far-reaching implications. Definitely enough substance there to make it worth paying attention to. We'll see if the MSM can spike it or not.
Posted by: Hermit Dave at September 22, 2008 01:11 AM (WhFvm)
Posted by: Sean M. at September 22, 2008 01:38 AM (e6v7s)
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Yeah, I think how far this goes is gonna rely on how far the media will go to embargo it, which means the talk radio people and talking heads are going to have to carry the ball on this.
Posted by: doubleplusundead at September 22, 2008 01:42 AM (/ym+y)
You know, if the Bush Administration would grow some balls and actually go after Obama for all the illegal shit he's doing (undercutting negotiations with Iraq, anyone) we wouldn't have to rely on a hostile media to publisize this.
Just order the FEC to look into it. Period. That would get huge attention and possibly destroy the Obama campaign for good.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at September 22, 2008 09:09 AM (83gRI)
Realistically, there's little Bush can do without it getting real nasty real quick. We don't want this to become a country where whenever one party loses power its leaders go to jail, which is where some people wish it was heading (Joe Biden, I'm looking at you here).
Or a country where running against a leader means you'll be prosecuted for byzantine infractions of elections law (and face it, there are plenty of byzantine laws out there, thank you John McCain). The sword cuts both ways on this one.
The best thing is to prosecute those surrogates who cross the line (ie ACORN), issue a few private warnings to Obama if necessary, and then hope that nothing egregious happens between now and election day.
Because if it becomes a scenario where the promise is that the election's losers are going to jail, voilence and rigged elections will surely follow.
This ends my serious pontifications for the month.
Posted by: plebian at September 22, 2008 04:47 PM (ugKwr)
Rather than go through a recount process, Sean Parnell has conceded the primary election to Rep. Don Young (links in the original):
"If I thought there was anything wrong, inappropriate or unprofessional
about the way this election tally was conducted, I would not only call
for a recount, I would demand one," Parnell said. "But that is not the
case here."
Events in the presidential contest may have diminished his incentive to keep fighting for the House seat. With Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin now the GOP's
vice presidential nominee, Parnell is in position to become governor if
the Republican ticket prevails. In a statement, Parnell noted that his
current "responsibilities are heightened even more with the exciting
possibility" that Palin could become vice president.
I'll have to admit that since the selection of Sarah Palin as John
McCain's running mate, I have thought that it was less likely that Sean
Parnell would ask for a recount. If Palin ascends to the Vice
Presidency, Alaska will need to keep at least one reform-minded leader
behind. And, while this makes it more likely that Democrat Ethan
Berkowitz will win in November, he is pro-drilling in ANWR and has to
be more ethical than Don Young.
As Predictable As Vote Fraud In North St. Louis, The Deciders Spring Into Action
Frustrated by three weeks of The Messiah losing ground, The Deciders have determined that they must spring into action to help carry their guy over the finish line.
All campaigns fall short, but some fall far shorter than others. And it is a phony evenhandedness, comfortable for journalists but ultimately misleading, that equates these failures without measuring the grossness of their deviation from the standard of decency. In the 2008 race, and especially in the past few weeks, the imbalance has become unnervingly stark. Ideological differences aside, John McCain's campaign has been more dishonest, more unfair, more -- to use a word that resonates with McCain -- dishonorable than Barack Obama's. -- Ruth Marcus, WaPo, 9-17-08.
That will likely happen at a time when the questions will be more pointed and more focused on the items that have been discovered as news organizations and Democratic opposition researchers comb her record.
But it's also true that McCain, who historically has been treated by the press better than most Republican presidential contenders, is now incurring the full wrath of a press corps that has decided that he has crossed the line, with ads and statements that do even greater violence to truth and fairness than is the norm.
It is a tone that some say has left McCain abandoning the "straight talk" ideals that made him such an attractive candidate in 2000.
No matter if what McCain and his campaign is saying and communicating is the truth or not, and whether or not he is abandoning his straight talk ideals. This will make it very difficult for them to get a message across, and the media refs are not likely to give him the benefit of the doubt on close calls.
But now the collapse of venerable financial institutions might well dominate public attention in mid-September. While relatively few are immediately affected by the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers and the fire sale of Merrill Lynch to Bank of America, the reverberations that such economic calamities cause are likely coming soon.
In addition, consumer confidence is further eroded, buyers are spooked, business expansion and increased hiring decisions are shelved, and the cycle continues its spiral downward.
While managing the economy is not exactly Obama's strong suit, it does pull the focus even further away from national security, McCain's strength. It would seem a better bet that this jump ball would be more likely go toward the team that hasn't been in power, and the edge would go to Obama.
There is no question that this election is still very much up in the air. The question is whether there is another momentum change in the making.
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But it's also true that McCain, who historically has been treated by
the press better than most Republican presidential contenders, is now
incurring the full wrath of a press corps that has decided that he has
crossed the line, with ads and statements that do even greater violence
to truth and fairness than is the norm. they'd toss their own grandmothers under a bus, if it would help get Barack Obama elected.
Fixed that for him.
Posted by: Sean M. at September 17, 2008 11:09 AM (e6v7s)
I can see why these polls are tightening up again: the bounce McCain enjoyed may be fading, the relentless media barrage, and general gyrations in numbers have created an essentially tied race and brought the numbers back together.
As of right now, the juiciest target for his humor are the people
who are spinning Sarah Palin's vice presidential ambitions. Notice how
he returns to the same topics night after night: Bush's incompetence.
McCain's irrelevance. Palin's handlers' spin.
I find it interesting that Leno can get away with doing what Brian
Williams can't do: openly mocking Republican talking points in a
nonpartisan setting. You don't see any rumors about Republican women
boycotting Leno, do you? McCain lackeys aren't wasting their breath
going after NBC's entertainment division with the lustiness of their
attacks on NBC's news division. (Because they want John and Cindy to
make return visits to Jay's couch.)
Yet, right now, the entertainment side may be doing more damage to the Palin-McCain ticket.
Johnny Carson, toward the end of his career, called Dan Quayle "the
gift that keeps on giving." But that was a role that many a politician
played in the "Tonight Show" monologue under Carson, a rogue's gallery
of Democrats as well as Republicans, from Earl Butz to Bert Lance to
Billy Carter to Ronald Reagan to James Watt to Bush 41. (Those are the
ones I recall from memory.)
The crucial difference this time is the candidate is not the butt of
Leno's Palin jokes. Her supporters are. While Tina Fey attacks Palin
directly, questioning her credentials and mocking her beauty-queen
poses, Leno pokes gentle (sometimes not gentle) fun at the McCain
campaign for keeping Palin on a short leash.
Not only that, but Leno draws damn near 4-5 million viewers a night, many of whom live in Ohio, Missouri, and Pennsylvania. These people, fed a constant diet of anti-McCain/Palin jokes, may alter their votes accordingly.
I ignored Stewart and Colbert, since their viewers are almost eclusively Democrats anyway. But Leno draws from everybody. And if enough Mabels in Zanesville vote according to what Leno wants, that could be an under the radar asset for Obama.
This is why I used to be completely apolitical. People do vote based on nonsense like Leno's monologue, and it was just easier to ignore the whole process and call most everyone idiots.
Now I pay attention to the process and call most everyone idiots. Guess the joke's on me.
Posted by: Hermit Dave at September 16, 2008 10:06 PM (WhFvm)
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I'm really not sure that you can judge anything by the polls right now--after the debate next week (it is next week, isn't it?) the polls will jump, and whatever they say right now will be forgotten.
Posted by: Daniel Ruwe at September 16, 2008 10:19 PM (wh7CA)
The coming October surprise
I was hesitating putting this out there, even though I had heard it before. But since Rob Port has broken the ice, I thought I'd go ahead and share it:
I was watching a CNN special about Sarah Palin tonight and had to
chuckle a bit when they brought up the fact that the Palins’ eldest
son, Track, was born eight months after his parents got married.
Got married by eloping, no less. Cue the “shotgun wedding” jokes from the left.
This is something I'm sure we'll be hearing a lot more about between October 24 and November 4.
I don't think the problem here is that they had a shotgun wedding or eloped, but that various surrogates (including Gov. Linda Lingle at the RNC Convention) have stated that they eloped to save their parents money. While that is probably true, it gives a false impression of why they got married. On the other hand, it's not like they ever tried to hide their anniversary date or Track Palin's birth date.
I have a feeling that if the media tries to play this up, it will end in much the same way as their attempt to exploit Bristol Palin's pregnancy.
I see it as one more thing the Palins have in common with millions of American couples over the years.
Also- I couldn't care less about the timing of Track's birth if I actually set out a block of time every day to concentrate on caring less.
I'll spend some time wondering why people would vote for a guy who's friends with an admitted domestic terrorist, though.
Posted by: Jones in CO at September 14, 2008 01:54 PM (VkNlv)
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If the race is tight, wait until the Thursday before the election for something like this to break, ala the Bush DUI story. The reason comes from the fact a surprise can still get Friday media coverage before most people go away fro the weekend, and gives the surprisee little, if any, opportunity to respond.
Posted by: eddiebear at September 14, 2008 03:06 PM (c+r5T)
See, this is another case of them TOTALLY not understanding their adversaries. They're sure the Right is a monolithic bloc of prissy, frigid church ladies who will be *horrified* to learn Sarah Palin got it on with her fiance before they were legally married. These are the same people who call it "hypocrisy" and assume any talk of abstinence will go out the window now that it turns out Bristol Palin did the same thing.
They don't understand that falling short of the ideal is part of the gig, but it doesn't make the ideal any less valuable.
I'm quite sure Sarah Palin is disappointed that her daughter got pregnant unintentionally. For one thing, having your life decisions accelerated at an early age is tough. But you don't hide it, or change your beliefs to accomodate the mistakes you make. You pick yourself up, brazen it out and make the best of it.
Posted by: S. Weasel at September 14, 2008 05:46 PM (Dy8+A)
Soft economy doesn't dent hard liquor
Even though the economy may not going like gangbusters these days, that's apparently not keeping Morons from getting their Val-U-Rite on:
A consumer survey in May by The Nielsen Company found that half the respondents said the economy had no impact on the amount of alcohol they bought. The state of the economy had a significant impact on only 20 percent of the respondents.
About 80 percent said they were spending the same amount of money on alcohol as in the past, but a large number reported going out less to bars and restaurants where they would buy alcoholic beverages.
"Purchases at out-of-home or on-premise locations may be more susceptible to a negative economy as consumers eat out less and entertain at home more often," said Danny Brager, vice-president, Client Service, Beverage Alcohol, The Nielsen Co. "Off-premise sales in grocery, mass merchandise, convenience, liquor and other stores will likely see benefits of this activity."
In other words, people are getting ripped at home, instead of heading out to bars. Which, I guess means less drunk driving and more quality time with the hoboes chained up in the basement. Everybody wins!
My Worthless Instant Analysis Of The Palin-Gibson Interview
Not bad. Not great, but not bad. She did no harm to her or the campaign. Nor did she give too much to Obama to use in a commercial. Yeah, the "War With Russia" thing will get play with the Kossacks and The Deciders, but nothing super worthy of a "Face Palm" or a "ZOMG!!!11!!1SHE BLEW IT!!!1!1!WE ARE SO SCREWED!!!11!!".
Besides, I feel this is how we need to start treating some of the pessimism on our side:
Employees at the department's Minerals Management Service "socialized with, and received a wide array of gifts and gratuities from, oil and gas companies," according to the department's inspector general, Earl Devaney.
"When confronted by our investigators, none of the employees involved displayed remorse," Devaney said.
The alleged activities occurred between 2002 and 2006 and involved 19 former and current workers at the Minerals Management Service's offices in Denver and Washington. Devaney recommended that those still on the job be fired.
The workers were involved in the "royalty-in-kind" program that collects and sells oil and gas turned over by energy companies as royalties for drilling on federal lands. About $4 billion a year in royalty-in-kind oil and gas is collected and sold by the department.
The oil companies named in the report were Chevron, Shell Oil, Hess Corp and Gary Williams Energy Corp.
Look, if dirty events happened, then the people involved need to be punished. But, to quote a Truther, "I question the timing."
Whoa...The Saudis walked out of an OPEC meeting. The cartel made a motion to cut oil production, and the Saudis declared they would not honor the motion. Most of the rest of OPEC is pointing to the recent price drop as the excuse, but the Saudis are afraid that winter will cause a spike, and if petroleum prices put too much pressure on the economy, it'd collapse and oil prices would go with it.
Basically the way it works is that Saudis and Gulf States recognize that if the high prices keep up, the US is going to seek out alternate energy sources and our own oil sources. Countries like Iran and Venezuela need the high prices today to fuel their social policies and military activities, and can't worry about tomorrow's economy. So they now have a split, and things fell apart in the OPEC meeting as a result, this should get interesting.
I don't care if the Saudis nuke their country to set up a giant well to pump ALL the oil out of the ground in one, price-crushing, swoop, apologize for all terrorist-funding/madrassa-building activities and actually give women full rights, we still need to DRILL DRILL DRILL DRILL DRILL, ETC. and free ourselves from any future entanglements (as much as humanly possible) in the Middle East and other, socialist-cum-communist, dictatorships.
That said, I welcome any potential collapse of OPEC with open arms which would, hopefully, precipitate the demise of I'manutjob and Hugo the Boy Tyrant.
Posted by: ECM at September 11, 2008 12:19 PM (q3V+C)
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The Saudis know that if they let the price stay too high the gravy train ends. Bully for them for having the sense to stay in business and realize they can beat the rest of OPEC on price without straining a muscle.
Posted by: leoncaruthers at September 11, 2008 12:23 PM (SHR5S)
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Totally agree ECM, drill, build new power plants and rebuild the energy grid. We can't let the Saudis smart move let us get lazy.
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During this historic time, pointing out the socialistic agenda of our
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should not listen to you. Sadly given the vote this evening in the
house, too many of them are not following the guidance of the
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I shouldn't sully this thread with something like this on 9-11, but did anyone notice that good ol' Google, once again, couldn't find it in themselves to memorialize this day when they seem to be able to find time to alter their logo for utterly trivial and meaningless dates?
Over at Dogpile, however, they did do something quite nice.
(P.S. STOP USING GOOGLE.)
Posted by: ECM at September 11, 2008 03:05 PM (q3V+C)
I can't spend much time talking about this, because my break's about over, but this writer from across the pond has an interesting take on the mayor of the 9000-person town of Wasilly:
Her rise from parent-teacher association to city council gave her a natural political base in her home town of Wasilla. Going on to become mayor was a natural progression. Wasilla's population of 9,000 would be a small town in Britain, and even in most American states.
But Wasilla is the fifth-largest city in Alaska, which meant that Palin was an important player in state politics.
Her husband's status in the Yup'ik Eskimo tribe, of which he is a full, or "enrolled" member, connected her to another influential faction: the large and wealthy (because of their right to oil revenues) native tribes.
[...]
As with most poor, distant places that suddenly receive great natural-resource wealth, the first generation of politicians were mesmerised by the magnificence of the crumbs falling from the table. Palin was the first of the next generation to realise that Alaska should have a place at that table.
The writer makes a point that the moose-hunter stuff, while true, serves as a smokescreen to hide a true political talent that causes people to underestimate her. So while Sarah Palin is building coalitions, other people are saying "oh, she's just a mayor," and she ends up surprising them.
Four years ago this evening, a lawyer from Atlanta posted a comment at Free Republic, disputing the accuracy of a document used in the segment on 60 Minutes II.
Four years ago, the old media was exposed as the partisan hacks most on our side always suspected they were.
Four years ago, Dan Rather and his sidekick, Mary Mapes, were forever discredited.
Four years ago, the blogosphere became a major player in the political scene.
That night, my then-pregnant wife had to retire to bed early due to nausea and fatigue, while I stayed up way too late participating in and witnessing digital history unfold.
Politics has changed a lot in the few short years I've been paying close attention (since Reagan's first term). It used to be nicer- really!- and more focused on issues and straight-up pure politickin'. But it was Al Gore and Florida2000 that really ushered in The Age Of Nasty.
The right side of the blogosphere is a watchdog- the left side is a muckraking outfit. Oh, we have our poo-flingers, but they're pikers compared to Kos and DU.
FWIW- my earliest political memory- other than 4 days in November 1963 when I didn't understand why no cartoons were on TV- is my dad had an "All The Way With LBJ" bumper sticker on his '59 Ford Galaxie.
Man stopped near Capitol with weaponsHe was found with a rifle and an AK, some mags and ammo, as well as a grenade, Capitol police detained him, seized his weapons and an investigation is underway. The guy decided to ask a Capitol police officer for directions. The officer saw the rifle in his vehicle and quickly detained him, and he's being charged for having unregistered weapons and ammunition.
The man was recently convicted for illegally carrying weapons concealed in Virginia. During that arrest, again in his car, it was found he had two (I'm guessing deactivated) grenades with powder inside and a firecracker meant to act as a fuse.
I'm glad the Capitol police detained the guy, he sounds a bit off, and he's already been convicted for charges related to illegal weapon possession once. We already had one crazy guy manage to push his way in to the Capitol with guns blazing, I'd rather they be safe than sorry.
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