January 11, 2010

The Bren Ten is coming back!

If you recall, it's what Crockett carried in Miami Vice in the first few seasons until the startup company that made the Bren Ten went tits up.  The Bren Ten was a heavily modified version of a CZ pistol, built around the then new 10mm cartridge.  Anyway, Vltor, which makes assorted accessories for ARs is producing them, and got the rights to the Bren Ten name.  Sweet.  I hope to hell this venture doesn't crash and burn like the others.  It'll come in the original 10mm and also in .45.

Ten bucks says Veeshir has the money set aside for one already. Heh. 

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1 Don't let Russ know.

Posted by: eddiebear at January 11, 2010 12:56 PM (sbZnx)

2 Is this the Dornaus & Dickson Bren Ten or am I thinking of something different?

Posted by: EC at January 11, 2010 01:28 PM (mAhn3)

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So it is!  I thought the 10mm was too problematic of a round for popular adoption.  Is it coming back to challenge the .45ACP?

Posted by: EC at January 11, 2010 01:33 PM (mAhn3)

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EC, the only 'problems' the 10mm had were that, because of its case length, it required a full-sized platform (as opposed to .40, which can be squeezed into anything big enough to handle a 9mm); and its admittedly healthy recoil. When .40S&W came out, offering a '90% solution' in a more user-friendly package, the police market went for it in spades and without that big driver the 10mm became unprofitable for the big manufacturers and thus the ammunition became more expensive and harder to find. There's still room for the Ten;  it's maybe the most versatile handgun cartridge you can get in an autoloader.

I carried a Glock 20 for years, loved it to death, profoundly regret selling it and and plan to get another one when finances allow. There's something comforting about carrying a handgun that, with proper choice of ammunition, can be used to hunt wild game up to and including delivery trucks.

Posted by: DaveP. at January 11, 2010 03:25 PM (pmfuC)

5 DaveP - - in part, that's true [platform size].

However, the chief problem with the 10mm round was it's chief virtue: power.

Both the Bren 10, and model produced by Colt had metallurgy 'issues'.  The Colt 10mm's frame had a 'life-span' of about 5000 rds before it started developing 'micro-fractures'; the Bren 10 was little better off. 

The obvious cure: a superior high-strength metal frame [forget composites], and muzzle 'porting' [for superior control].

Add to that the fact that the round had no significant inroads into the law-enforcement/military community at the beginning of it's introduction was it's biggest 'down-side'.  Later on, H&K did make an MP5 chambered for 10mm but even that model didn't get wide-spread adoption [except by the FBI].

That is not to say the 'concept' of the 10mm was/is without merit; the .40 S&W round could easily be labeled the 10mm K [kurtz] and it is an excellent round .

The 10's big problem: utility.  Or more to the point, the perceived lack thereof.  The 9mm is the established utility caliber; the .45 has 'brand loyalty' and is well entrenched; and the .40 S&W is a popular alternative to both the of the above.

Granted, the 'coolness' factor of the 10 will help, but until it gets a foot-hold LE/Mil community, it'll stay an 'exotic' caliber, muscling for attention with the .50 AE and .480 Ruger rounds.

Hmmmm.  Maybe if they called it the 'drugged-up Jihadi stopper', that might help.


Posted by: CPT. Charles at January 11, 2010 08:19 PM (lYKj1)

6 You guys made my day.  Got a co-worker I took shooting who's been bugging about what kind of gun to buy.  He's a big Miami Vice fan, too.  

Posted by: See-Dubya at January 11, 2010 09:56 PM (f8nhM)

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Well, BAG day is in 3 months, I just ordered a gun, so I'm out of shopping for a while.

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