1 Don't let Russ know.

2 Is this the Dornaus & Dickson Bren Ten or am I thinking of something different?

3

So it is!  I thought the 10mm was too problematic of a round for popular adoption.  Is it coming back to challenge the .45ACP?

4

EC, the only 'problems' the 10mm had were that, because of its case length, it required a full-sized platform (as opposed to .40, which can be squeezed into anything big enough to handle a 9mm); and its admittedly healthy recoil. When .40S&W came out, offering a '90% solution' in a more user-friendly package, the police market went for it in spades and without that big driver the 10mm became unprofitable for the big manufacturers and thus the ammunition became more expensive and harder to find. There's still room for the Ten;  it's maybe the most versatile handgun cartridge you can get in an autoloader.

I carried a Glock 20 for years, loved it to death, profoundly regret selling it and and plan to get another one when finances allow. There's something comforting about carrying a handgun that, with proper choice of ammunition, can be used to hunt wild game up to and including delivery trucks.

5 DaveP - - in part, that's true [platform size].

However, the chief problem with the 10mm round was it's chief virtue: power.

Both the Bren 10, and model produced by Colt had metallurgy 'issues'.  The Colt 10mm's frame had a 'life-span' of about 5000 rds before it started developing 'micro-fractures'; the Bren 10 was little better off. 

The obvious cure: a superior high-strength metal frame [forget composites], and muzzle 'porting' [for superior control].

Add to that the fact that the round had no significant inroads into the law-enforcement/military community at the beginning of it's introduction was it's biggest 'down-side'.  Later on, H&K did make an MP5 chambered for 10mm but even that model didn't get wide-spread adoption [except by the FBI].

That is not to say the 'concept' of the 10mm was/is without merit; the .40 S&W round could easily be labeled the 10mm K [kurtz] and it is an excellent round .

The 10's big problem: utility.  Or more to the point, the perceived lack thereof.  The 9mm is the established utility caliber; the .45 has 'brand loyalty' and is well entrenched; and the .40 S&W is a popular alternative to both the of the above.

Granted, the 'coolness' factor of the 10 will help, but until it gets a foot-hold LE/Mil community, it'll stay an 'exotic' caliber, muscling for attention with the .50 AE and .480 Ruger rounds.

Hmmmm.  Maybe if they called it the 'drugged-up Jihadi stopper', that might help.

6 You guys made my day.  Got a co-worker I took shooting who's been bugging about what kind of gun to buy.  He's a big Miami Vice fan, too.  

7

Well, BAG day is in 3 months, I just ordered a gun, so I'm out of shopping for a while.

1 Bourbon: Makers Mark
If none of that is around, I go for Uncle Jack in the Tennessee Sour Mash division.
Martini? Bombay Sapphire with three olives (Wiser & Rosetta saw Wifey & me knock a few back).

Beer? yes

2 oh, and if you are unwilling to light up a fine cigar during the evening, I don't want to know you

3 I'm a Makers Mark man myself if bourbon is the word.

4 When I've got some money to drop, I go for Red Breast.  Fabulous sipping whiskey.  Tastes ... buttery.  Love it.

5 My drink is a Rose Kennedy.

6

bulliet for mass quantities, pappy van winkle if i want to taste it.

 

champagne- cristallino for mimosas, krug if i want my eyes to roll up in my head.

 

vodka- who cares? it's vodka. who wants to pay a pantload to have it taste more like nothing?

7 before I gave up booze 11 yrs ago, I was more of a rum or brandy guy, with the occasional tequila shooter. vodka was more for soaking fruit in, and beer was meh. oh, and wine was for cooking with =D

8 Wild Turkey, but I haven't had it in 30 years.

9 Knob Creek is excellent but my favorite at the moment is Russell's Reserve. And I love my bourbon with a dash of vanilla-weird huh?

10 If you want the BEST try BOOKERS it will melt your soul and brain,Woodford reserve is a good one also

11 Knob Creek is definitely my go-to bourbon.  Wild Turkey works too.  I've been meaning to try Booker's, but I rarely go to bars any more and haven't been willing to shell out the money for a whole bottle.

Bourbon vs. Scotch -- Mostly a price/quality issue for me.  A really outstanding scotch beats all.  But for what you'd pay for a bottle of perfectly enjoyable Knob Creek you'd get a barely palatable scotch.

Gin - between Bombay Sapphire and Tanqueray I'm pretty indifferent.  I don't get why people are so divided between the two.  Gordon's or maybe even Seagram's in a pinch.

Vodka - "Not Smirnoff". That stuff gives me the worst headaches.  I don't drink so much vodka any more, but Stoli or Skyy stick in my mind.

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...and wine was for cooking with ....

Ahhh ...I find I rather disagree with that (well, unless you left out the word "also" between "was" and "for").

...neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure. Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

See? Wine is biblical. God-approved. Mandated even. The Big Guy himself so approved of wine, he even turned water into wine a time or two.

13 Main Course:  Old Style Beer.

Sidecar:  Jagermeister.

Hey botnet, have you tried Bourbon of Scotch?  Why, yes, botnet.  The botnet has tried, and gets too fucked up.  Stay away from the evil spirits, botnet, they'll scramble your brains.

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 For Scotch:

 Glenlivet or Glenfiddich.

But the Irish do it better:

Bushmill's 10 or 12 yr old or Black Bush.

As far as Gin goes, the English do not make gin, the Dutch do.The English make kerosene. Try a Jonge Genever. Bols is the easiest to get.

15 Crown and Hennessy are my favorites.
Hennessy and Bailey's is a great drink, too bad it's like 30$/glass (Hennessy ain't cheap)
I've lately decided to try single malt scotches. I have some Glenfiddich, I'll let you know.

The problem is that I mostly just drink for Giants football, and that's over in the most painful way possible.

For sparkling wine, I like prosecco or Brut, I like fruity but not sweet wines (Italian mostly, hence the prosecco).

16 Sour Mash bourbon is the American original, I stick with it.

17 Goldstar Beer   Love the beer from Israel!

18

Stranahan's Colorado Whiskey.  Not cheap, but if you have it available in your state, which you likely do by now, make sure to give it a try. 

American made, privately owned, micro-distilled deliciousness that should be supported with our dollars rather than the huge conglomerates.

http://www.stranahans.com/index.php?q=home

19 thanks