March 01, 2010

After reading this, I think I may be starting a blog war ...

I think it's an interesting thing that so many people see tattoos and piercings on a young person and immediately assume liberal.  I think to some of my friends from my especially punk rock days, and I smile to myself a little, since probably seven in ten of those friends "grew up" to be conservatives.  After all, the punk movement is about anarchy - about damn the man and fuck the government and all that shit, so it's only a natural evolution for those people to gravitate to the small government conservative movement.

Where people like that (and in that, I include myself) get ostracized from the conservative movement are the socially conservative issues, if you will.  Gay marraige, religion, maybe abortion. 

I consider myself a conservative because I believe in small government, fewer entitlements, market-based initiatives, free enterprise and markets, legal immigration, and gun rights.  I may have missed a few, but when it really comes down to it, that's what separates me from your average liberal. 

But conservatism doesn't always welcome a social liberal into their ranks.  I haven't always been accepted by a lot of the conservatives I know, because I don't care who you fuck, or what you believe in, or whether you smoke pot.  And, because of those kinds of issues, my support on gun rights, my support of the free market, my support of small government has often been swept to the side.

I found this piece on one of the "founders" of the Tea Party movement, and I thought it was interesting that the immediate spin of the article is that she isn't "your average conservative".  Why?  Well, she has a piercing.  In her nose.  She's an actress!  So, when her voice wasn't being heard, she did what she thought was right, and held a protest against the stimulus bill.

Keli Carender has a pierced nose, performs improv on weekends and lives here in a neighborhood with more Mexican grocers than coffeehouses. You might mistake her for the kind of young person whose vote powered President Obama to the White House. You probably would not think of her as a Tea Party type.

But leaders of the Tea Party movement credit her with being the first.

A year ago, frustrated that every time she called her senators to urge them to vote against the $787 billion stimulus bill their mailboxes were full, and tired of wearing out the ear of her Obama-voting fiancé, Ms. Carender decided to hold a protest against what she called the “porkulus.”

There's been a lot of talk on how the Tea Party could cost us Republican seats by throwing up candidates against a RINO.  And it's an absolute truth.  But maybe, just maybe, that's not the Tea Party's fault.  Maybe it's the fault of the Republicans for failing to see, as Ronald Reagan said, that someone who agrees with you 80% of the time should be considered a good friend.  If we can't work out these differences within our own party, then that's what's giving the Tea Party this strength and momentum.

I'll vote for a RINO over a democrat, because I know what happens when you vote 3rd party.  But can you blame other people for choosing to use their vote to make a statement?  Can you blame another party for capitalizing on the weaknesses within our own party?

I think I may be starting a blog war.  GO!

 

Posted by: Ember at 11:53 PM | Comments (29) | Add Comment
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1 Other than that I believe that if your party is throwing you duds, you need to get in there and make them stop - BEFORE it gets to the point of resorting to a third party - you've hit the nail on the head.

Posted by: Alice H at March 02, 2010 01:01 AM (qJHYy)

2 YOU SUCK AND YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING!!!

(Happy now?)

Posted by: Sean M. at March 02, 2010 01:41 AM (rLWHv)

3

Yay!  Blog war started!

Um ... you're stupid and smell like cows.  Just to continue the theme.

Posted by: Ember at March 02, 2010 01:43 AM (LdRAG)

4 Ahem.

Blog wars are usually with other blogs.

This is more like mud wrasslin'.

Posted by: mesablue at March 02, 2010 01:47 AM (CbF4r)

5 And another thing...I'm not fond of nose piercings.  I'd rather not have that strumpet on our side.

Whore.

Posted by: Sean M. at March 02, 2010 01:49 AM (rLWHv)

6 And, I think the Tea Party folks will be good for the repubs in the long term. All those extra precinct delegates are gonna be fun at the conventions.  Wake up the old turds. 

Pat Robertson's folks did the dame thing a long time ago for different reasons. Not all stuck around, but quite a few did who had previously been lifelong dems.

Posted by: mesablue at March 02, 2010 01:50 AM (CbF4r)

7 This is more like mud wrasslin'.

I fucking wish.

Posted by: Sean M. at March 02, 2010 01:51 AM (rLWHv)

8

Sheesh, picky, picky, with your exact definitions of phrases and shit. 

I think you're a blog war racist.

But I could be down for mud wrasslin'.  Or jello wrasslin'.

Posted by: Ember at March 02, 2010 02:06 AM (LdRAG)

9 Pudding.

Banana.


Posted by: mesablue at March 02, 2010 02:09 AM (CbF4r)

10 Fuck, no!  Chocolate!

And, no, I won't wrassle you to determine which flavor Ember and I use, mesa.

Posted by: Sean M. at March 02, 2010 02:17 AM (rLWHv)

11 Actually we had almost the same conversation over at Daphne's place about the same thing and had a bit of intelligent conversation about it until a commenter lost his shit when we said that the only reason that homosexuality trended towards a supposed non-conservative slant was because it had been politicized as such, but in truth did not limit one's beliefs in the political arena. Apparently who you shag (to this guy) immediately makes you desire a massive government and the loss of large percentages of your income.

Posted by: Old Iron at March 02, 2010 05:13 AM (tD0Cq)

12 Part of the problem is that there aren't many "punk" ethic candidates or elected officials.  (Jesse Ventura, maybe?  Look how that turned out.)  All the "fiscal conservative, social liberal-tarian-ish" Republicans turn out to be fiscal squishes as well.  (Not to say that the social cons have been especially good on fiscal issues either.)

Ok, so Ron Paul doesn't care if you smoke pot.  Whoop-dee-do.

Posted by: JoeCollins at March 02, 2010 07:56 AM (jtJig)

13 Ember, I agree.  I learned long ago never to assume anything about anybody based solely on their appearance.  I write a blog called Red State Witch, which is a pretty good clue that not all witches and pagans are loopy, San-Fran-style liberals.  Quite a few of us are pro-gun, pro-military, low-tax, low-spend, anti-government-butting-into-your-life, anti-statist, self-employed small business owner types.  Not that the strict social-cons would ever willingly be caught in the same room as us.

And as for tats, I'm with you on that.  I gots 'em, including a big one.  But when I put on the Brooks Brothers suit, I blend in with all the other professionals.  Witches call that casting a glamour.

I performed a real act of magic once.  I put a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on my car and it became invisible to my liberal witch friends.

Posted by: Wiccapundit, the Red State Witch at March 02, 2010 09:50 AM (LC73f)

14

BLOG WAR111!!!!!

*pees on eddiebear's leg

*gives ember a reverse wedgy

*throws an elbow into sean's throat vajayjay

*calls forth the zombie hordes

*runs away

Posted by: Rich at March 02, 2010 10:02 AM (Qrjpn)

15 While I appreciate all the tangents brought up in the comments, can we get back to the important discussion at hand?

Ember and Alex mud wrasslin'?

Truly, the only civil way to end this.  May I suggest stompy boots/heels as the only mandatory part of their chosen gladiator uniform?

Posted by: conservativeinthecity at March 02, 2010 10:39 AM (i3tSP)

16 Why is it that there's a stereotype of tattoos = liberal, when there's also almost not a single United States Marine that I've met without some manner of tattoo?  Generally the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor, but I've also seen a lot of flags, bulldogs and other non-Marine related tattoos on em.  Why?

Are we to assume that Marine = liberal now?

Posted by: MikeD at March 02, 2010 10:45 AM (FkL60)

17 "May I suggest stompy boots/heels as the only mandatory part of their chosen gladiator uniform?"

TIFIFY

Posted by: MikeD at March 02, 2010 10:47 AM (FkL60)

18 What?  No picture to accompany this? 

SHE'S A WITCH BURN HER!

I put a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on my car and it became invisible to my liberal witch friends.

Ow ow ow ow ow tea out nose ow ow ow ow


Posted by: alexthechick at March 02, 2010 11:13 AM (8WZWv)

19 I put a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on my car and it became invisible to my liberal witch friends.

I would have figured that would make you invisible to them.

Posted by: Veeshir at March 02, 2010 11:31 AM (p0YfC)

20

As far as the social issues go.  If you are expecting acceptance by the social cons you might as well just give it up.  Never gonna happen unless you agree 100%

That's the point.  That's the problem!  While the social cons are becoming a smaller and smaller group, they are often still part of a new conservative's introduction to the Republican party.  And they will go out of their way to make some people feel unwelcome in the party.

What?  No picture to accompany this? 

There will be pics soon.  New corset pics, even.

I performed a real act of magic once.  I put a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on my car and it became invisible to my liberal witch friends.

There is so much win in that sentence that I don't even know how to handle it.

Posted by: Ember at March 02, 2010 12:17 PM (LdRAG)

21 I performed a real act of magic once.  I put a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on my car and it became invisible to my liberal witch friends.

Actually, that one was on the wife's car.  Mine has the NRA Member sticker on it.  They are able to see the car, but it makes their heads nearly explode.

I would have figured that would make you invisible to them.

Yes, Veeshir.  "These are not the conservative witches you are looking for..."

Oh, and sorry about the tea, Alex.

Posted by: Wiccapundit, the Red State Witch at March 02, 2010 01:32 PM (LC73f)

22

Uhhh, Ember - I've got a newsflash for you, hot-stuff...

You is more Libertarian than you is conservative.  I've been reading your stuff for long enough to see this.  I know it is going to take some getting used to, but welcome to the ranks. 

 

Posted by: Goober at March 03, 2010 08:01 PM (QNRoi)

23 I'm actually registered Libertarian (now) after a few really terrible experiences with the GOP.  So, yeah.  I've finally hung my head and admitted to being one of teh crazies.

Posted by: Ember at March 03, 2010 10:27 PM (LdRAG)

24 OK, I've gotta scold you for that, Ember.  You can't vote in GOP primaries if you're registered Libertarian, unless Louisiana is one of those crazy states with open primaries. 

Posted by: Alice H at March 03, 2010 11:56 PM (qJHYy)

25 I honestly don't know how Louisiana's primaries work.  I haven't been here for a primary yet.

Posted by: Ember at March 03, 2010 11:57 PM (LdRAG)

26 Okay, looked it up.  They do not allow crazy fringe third partiers to participate in the caucus.  Damnit.

Posted by: Ember at March 04, 2010 12:50 AM (LdRAG)

27 It's probably too late for you to register for this year's caucus, too.  Dammit is right.

Posted by: Alice H at March 04, 2010 10:02 AM (qJHYy)

28 But hey, you can go choose the Libertarian candidate that will be the next...um...Libertarians rarely actually win an office, so I'm not sure what you'll be accomplishing.

Posted by: Alice H at March 04, 2010 10:03 AM (qJHYy)

29 I tend more towards Livid-terrier than Republican myself, but in SC it's kind of "don't ask don't tell" during primaries.

Don't feel bad Ember, almost every Libertarian I know is personally a well spoken, sober, intelligent individual.  It's the Party and its candidates that are batshit insane.

Posted by: MikeD at March 04, 2010 10:23 AM (FkL60)

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