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1 Hell, our former GOPer running as a third party candidate didn't even bother to run in the primary.

2 Unity!  That word does not mean what we keep being told it means.

3 you have to remember that for some politicians- I'm talking about the self-important scum-sucking bastards, here- personal ambition trumps unity or loyalty

4 yes, for every Castle/Murky/Mr. Scuzzabutt/Bennett/Crist/Specter, there is one Hoffman. Nice to see Hoffman's sore loser stupidity is mathematically superior to the 6-1 odds the RINOS lay out in terms of being shitheads. As Ace linked, contrast Hoffman to 99% of the conservatives who lose and support the primary winner vice the RINOS who generally go out of their way to sabotage their opponents in the General Election. But yeah, one Hoffman makes up for all the rest, especially given the fact that had Mr. Scuzzabutt not supported the Democrat in a fit of pique, Hoffman would be a Congressman now. But I guess that was OK.

Also, I noticed in the article that the local Tea Party is now saying don't vote for Hoffman. Contrast that to the NRSC flying in lawyers to Alaska to help Murky, the initial statements of non support to O'Donnell, the support for Bennett and Specter, and the Cornyn-led foolishness with Crist last year. Oh, and lest we forget the RINO-led efforts to chase Nikki Haley from the SC Gov race.

But I guess one shitbum sore loser trumps the rest. Good to know.

5

6 I'm with you, when the Rino runs, the GOP establishment is generally either silent or supportive.

When the tea party type runs
Quote (from the linked article)
That concern led the chair of the Upstate New York Tea Party to tell members that a vote for Hoffman, once the darling of the movement, amounts to a vote for Rep. Bill Owens, the incumbent Democrat.


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1 Get back to the clown thread, you. 

2 Eh, maybe it'll give Castle a chance to get a real job for a while and come back savvier and more conservative next time.  Imagine how much better-off we'd be if Obama had ever had to do that. 

Besides, if Castle's role is to be the horse's head in the bed, then so be it.  There's no right to public office.  Maybe his downfall (along with Bennett and Murkowski and the NY-23 debacle) will show the Republicans that they can't just take conservatives for granted. 

It's the other side of the coin from early 2008, when it looked like the GOP might pick Giuliani to run: I was prepared to sit on my hands rather than vote for such a liberal, even if it meant that someone even more liberal took office.  McCain was no prize, but he was streaky enough that he could be choked down.

3 Now I'm finding it interesting that all the people who are expecting a candidacy based on hatred of The Establishment are now whining that they won't help Christine O'Donnell pay rent for the next two months bankroll Christine O'Donnell's campaign.  Funny, that. 

4 I hope they don't bankroll her campaign.  The faster the NRSC becomes completely irrelevant (they're already well on their way) the better.

5

It wasn't that Castle lost, IVD: it's that the GOP lost, and the Tea Party won.

So ...it's coming. Change, I mean. Anything can happen when people are just this.pissed.off.

Even my Democrat union member buddies are pissed off. Kind of amazing, some of the conversations I've had over the past few months with guys who do NOT pay attention (much) to politics.

They are now.

6 Well, I don't especially like the tea party*, so I like when they lose.

*and yes, I proudly live in The District. 

7 Okay, can we all go back to forgetting that Delaware is a state now?

8 You know, I get disgusted every time I drive through Delaware and it occurs to me that they get two Senators.  Fold them into Maryland or Pennsylvania and be done with it.  I can only imagine my disgust should I ever drive through Connecticut and Rhode Island.

9 I Don't vote there, so I don't know.  She seems kinda strange, he seems unreliable, but the "establishment" not bankrolling isn't what they are doing, they aren't supporting at all, and acting petulant after the guy they DID bankroll lost, even after engaging in all the dirtyness they are laying at the feet of O'Donnel.

10

You see, douglas, she 'made them' do it for, like, our own good, so can you  really blame them for taking their toys and going home?

/sarc 

11

There are two different things going on.

On the one hand, we have  our career pols who need us to shut the fuck up, send them money, vote the way they say and be happy about it.

They're better and smarter than we are after all.

On the other hand, there's a lot of people who are sick of elitist pricks telling us we're too stupid to make our own decisions.

Each side is trying to teach the other side the lesson.

Tea partiers understand what our elitist tolls are saying, they just disagree.

The elitist tools have not learned shit even after losing 3 elections in a row.

They just don't understand what the tea partiers are saying so they just keep telling us to shut the fuck up and vote for the fucking Rinos who will expand gov't a little more slowly than the Dems they're running against.

I want what my opponent wants! Just a little less of it!

 

Fuck them all. I would rather see 535 Ron Pauls next year than 535 John Fucking McCains or Lindsey Fucking Grahams.  

Hell, I'd rather see 535 Dennis Kuciniches next year than 535 John Fucking McCains.

12 Right on, Veesh.  555^

We'll take our chances in the general, and the elitist RINO fuckbags can suck my left one.

If the democrat gets it, so fucking what?  Castle is a democrat anyway, so it's six of one and a half-dozen of the other.

I'd rather be punched in the face than stabbed in the back.

13

Perhaps this is the change that Mr. Obama promised us. I welcome it. I also welcome the opportunity for the people to show:

A. Political parties are becoming as disconnected from the electorate as the perennial incumbants that infest DC.

B. That differing points of view are best settled at the ballot box.

C. Conservative values have a strong resonance with voters regardless of what the media wishes us to believe.

As for Mr. Castle's future, I think he should form a new political party. Perhaps give Charlie Crist an invite to help head the organization. They could call it the Democratic Party. God knows the one currently parading under that banner is nothing but a bunch of socio/Marxist hacks.

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Hell, I'd rather see 535 Dennis Kuciniches next year than 535 John Fucking McCains.

Heh. We could call it the Monkey Congress.

Q: If you give the Monkey Congress 535 typewriters and set them typing, how long before they [randomly, by chance] write the Constitution?

A: ???

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davis,

It could take days or weeks or even years, but since it's Congress, you couldn't get them to actually read it or follow it.

16

From the original article in the post.

Former Rep. George Nethercutt (R-Wash.), now a lobbyist in Washington, D.C., attended a separate dinner and also came away impressed.

 

Okay, if I made up an article talking about something that would make establishment GOPers happy I don't think I would have gone that far.

It ain't just an end of civilization, it's hilarious.

1 It's awesome when you get to argue both sides of an issue. I've noticed that you can win fairly easily that way.

That clip is remarkably short on another huge factor.

I don't want to vote for/support the Rino/Dem Lite anymore.

2 I'm with Veeshir...I'm done compromising my principles. 

3 I prefer conservative candidates as well.  But when our choices are a RINO who has been winning elections statewide since 1980 and an unethical perennial conservative candidate who is guaranteed to lose, I'll choose the RINO every time.   

4

I'm w/ Veeshir and LCAS--the pragmatists can suck it.

(I learned my lesson years ago when I voted for Arnie over McClintock, and look how that clusterfuck turned out--too bad Team Electability>Everything Else can't see exactly where being 'pragmatic' gets you.)

5 I wasn't discussing that, I was talking about the strawman vid portraying opponents as idiots and discounting any thought on their part.

They're obviously mindless idiots obviously programmed by Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin.

6 Comment directed at IV,D, not ECM. 

7 Let me help with this...This is a vote em all out atmosphere. One candidate has been in office through the last 10 years Correct? IF so then HE is part of the reason we are in this mess,  Regardless of Party. ALL Incumbents that have been in office through the last 10 years should be removed. Accountability is a two way street. R-or D...

8 This reader comment was left on a different Mark Levin FB post. I can't tell if it's supposed to be facetious or not:
---------------
It's more than the ISI lawsuit.
It's more than the neighbors turning her in to the authorities when she lived in Wilmington.
It's more than having to sell her home to avoid the sheriff's sale.
It's more than failing to file reports with the ...FEC, being cited over and over and over and over and...
It's more than her university having to sue her to recover tuition (in addition to the student loans she had to repay).
It's more than the flaky claims about people hiding in the bushes and breaking into her campaign HQ (and never reporting it to the police for investigation).
It's more than the unpaid debts to vendors and campaign staff.
It's more than the campaign paying rent and cable TV and phone and electricity, etc., for her and the guy she lives with.
It's more than the use of out-of-state vendors over locals, and questions over why seemingly personal out-of-state expenses are charged to the campaign.
It's more than not holding a steady job and making ends meet by "doing odd jobs" and reporting <$6,000 income for more than a year.
It's more than her staff making outrageous claims.
It's more than her claiming that Rasmussen polls are being manipulated by the RNC.
It's more than her tendency to attack any critics as being part of a Mike Castle conspiracy.
Etc.
It is about beating Castle!

9 Sounds like whichever one wins the primary, voting for the Dem in the general is the right way to go.

10 Think people need to chill the fuck out about this race.

11 I agree, people need to chill out.  O'donnell has been declared the winner.  Lets rally and try to get her a win.

12 There's another component to this and many other races that gets ignored: competence. If we run ultra conservative candidates that just happen to be bumbling, incompetent boobs, we deserve to lose. I can't say I know for sure about this particular case, but there have been times.

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Is there any hope that if the conservatives who appear to be winning can ouster some of these jerkwads from leadership???  I sure hope so.

So, anyway, why does Obie Loser keep fighting his one sided fight against good old boy Bohner?

 

2 I'll probably get slammed as a RINO again, but here goes nothing --

I'm a little surprised that nobody has suggested compromising on the rates, rather than on who's being taxed.  Tax rates, money -- these things are continuous variables.  You can split the baby on this without... ending up with baby guts all over you.

To partially make up for my RINOish comment, I'll bitch about the RNC/NRCC/NRSC communications teams a bit, which is my perpetual wont.  -- How is it that Obumbles gets to bitch about 700bn over ten years when the stimulus was 800bn over two years?  One was necessary, but the other is an immoral indulgence???  Can't anybody on the party payroll figure that one out?

3 Okay Joe, so tell the GOP leadership about your compromise, why tell us? We're reacting to what they're doing.
Once burned, twice shy.
A million times burned, forever shy.

The deal is that they're worried about the media calling them meanies.

Their problem is that they're spending too much time lamenting Sarah Palin's success and ignoring Christie's to see what those two are doing by attacking back at Minitru and ridiculing their narrative.

Minitru doesn't have the stranglehold on the message anymore, other narratives are now possible.
Hell, Matt Drudge drives the debate probably as much as the NY Times and he's one guy using snarky comments and hilarious photo juxtapositions.

4

If Boner (yeah, my opinion of the way to spell it, sophomoric moron that I am) had half a brain, he would have switched the focus onto regulatory burden instead of direct taxes.  The regulatory burden (including the recent health care fiasco) has a far greater impact on small business than the marginal tax rate.

Of course, that would mean downsizing government, something Boner is actually loathe to do, as he's just another asshole pol who's all about the power.

5

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7 Regulatory burdens aren't sexy.

Of course, neither are tax rate compromises, which is why we have this game of chicken.

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Boehner is right about one thing - not knowing whether (and for whom) the tax cuts will be extended is worse than making a decision. Everyone is paralyzed with uncertainty.

This decision should have been made and announced 6 months ago. We wouldn't be in as bad shape as we are now, even if they hadn't extended the cuts for the "rich."

10

Jeez, my comment was flagged.

Just out of curiousity, what is considered inappropriate for this blog?

I mean, it's not as if I said that of course zombies are all fast in the real world.

11

And then there's this.

"Who can surrender first?"

Apparently House Dems want to extend all the tax cuts.

The Funniest End of Civilization Ever strikes again! 

 

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2 objective = objectional.

3 Yeah, I'd have to see what he does.
The GOP's strategy this election is to keep their mouths shut as much as possible. He has to say something, so he's saying the most innocuous things he can while still saying he wants to reduce spending and taxes.

If you want to be Majority Leader, you need to be able to work with the other side.
So long as you don't roll over you have to make happy noises.
McConnell has held the line against Obama, making him use the Northeast GOP for his cover, and then only rarely. 

4 I don't get it - why are the rules grossly different for Reps and Dems?

I don't mean in the media. I mean in the base.

The base of the Democrats has purged and purified that party into a totalitarian wet dream, and it has netted them a lot. Obamacare is really only part of it: don't forget (with the help of useful idiots like Bush), the government has taken over the entire financial sector, most of the automotive sector, and housing.

The politically "pragmatic," savvy, reliable, nonconfrontational Republicans assisted the Democrats in this takeover.

Mitch McConnell and the rest of the GOP leadership has no business being in control. They have no direction, no guiding principles, and nothing to offer in opposition to the Democrats.

I'm being kind in not assuming that Team GOP doesn't, in fact, actively support the Democratic vision of America, licking their lips at everything they could do if only they were in control.

5 Shorter me:

Ideological purges actually work. They worked for the Democrats throughout the late 1990s and culminated in 2006 and 2008.

At this rate, the Democrats are going to take back power in 2012. Because they actually believe in something, no matter how vile it is.

6 Well, he could always accidentally choke to death on, say, 20-30 chicken bones. It could happen.

7

Saying 'cut spending and debt' sounds great, but it also comes across as completely empty platitude, given the actions of the GOP in the last 15 years.  And how he thinks he can work with Obama on that is beyond me.

I'd like to see the focus be on Financial Responsibility.  I think this is a huge winner this year.  Fiscally responsible people have gotten the shaft in this economy.  ZIRP is a straight transfer of money to the banks from savers.  Government employees are getting raises while everyone in the private sector is getting hosed.  Tapped-out banks have a government backstop and are allowed to flat-out lie about their balance sheets.  The list goes on and on.

If the GOP would just toss everything else aside and focus strictly on restoring a bit of actual capitalism to the economy, they'd have their base, the tea party, and most independents as well.  Ignore the social issues and focus on the economy.

8 You got it HD.
Let's see if they learned a lesson.
Or rather, let's see if they'll act accordingly.

It's going to be ugly. But Minitru/Journolist is losing its clout, people are tuning them out and turning them off.

I hope in years to come the 2008 election is Minitru's last gasp in being able to drive the debate (leftward).

9 Holy shit, it's like he's channelling a dead Trent Lott.

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Mitch McConnel is a dinosaur. Unleash the meteors and line up some new guys for the job, should it open up for us.

 

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I'm totally on the same page as Ace on this.

Is there some kind of, ya know, strategically rational faction of the Tea Party I can root for?

2 Without downplaying the inherent crazy of Christine O'Donnell (which should have been evident from her hosting gigs on Hannity's show - I despise Hannity)...

Strategically rational has given us McCain, Guiliani, both Bushes, Specter, Murkowski, Delay, and Boehner.

If my choice is those versus crazy, I'm almost ready to side with crazy.

As in, on the Sharron Angle end. O'Donnell is a bridge too far - we have enough mean-spirited poseurs just in our strategically rational group. We don't need to import more.

3 Also, I've never heard of not getting a degree for twelve years (or whatever) because of student debt.  They don't give you your sheepskin if you didn't make your regular payments.  It shouldn't have taken her so long to straighten herself out w/ the Bursar.

4 Ella, you're making a point about ideology, and I'm making a point about tact, sanity, and general qualification.  I'm with you on the ideology thing to a large degree.  I could point you to more than a few lengthy blog posts I've written on the matter, all basically arguing that we're capable of electing more conservative candidates than the self-styled GOP elite gives us credit for.

But you can't just put up any old person who yells something about "the Constitution" just because the inside-track candidate has RINO tendencies. 

Guiliani??  He was the most conservative Northeast big city mayor you're going to see in your lifetime.  And he didn't get to be the prez nominee, so not seeing the point there.

5 I would rather see voters screw it up our political betters. 

I'm looking at the tools who put Specter over Toomey last time.
They probably would have done it again if he had stayed in the GOP.

Elitist pricks piss me off.

6 I meant to address this
Is there some kind of, ya know, strategically rational faction of the Tea Party I can root for?

You're totally misunderstanding the main, fundamental fact about this deal.
There is no Tea Party.
There are only tea partiers.

 Go to a tea party event. Don't watch the speakers, check out the crowd. Most of them are ignoring the speakers too. They're just there to let their elected officials know they're unhappy about how they're doing their job.

Sarah Palin isn't a Tea Party Leader, she's saying stuff that tea partiers want to hear. If she tries to point tea partiers in a direction they don't want to go, they won't go.
If you understand that, it will make sense. What the tea partiers in Nevada do has little to do with what the ones in Delaware do.


There is no leadership, there are only a shitload of pissed off taxpayers who see elitist assholes calling them names, telling them to shut it, doing stuff against the interests of their voters all while spending their money and their children's money like the people who steal money from drunken sailors.

7 ok, "tea party" was imprecise, though I think it's fair to say there are factions amongst the tea partiers & TP sympathizers.  And with Ace's post, and the backlash to it, we're seeing that.

I mean something more like reform-oriented base voters.  Actually, quite a bit like Sarah Palin, who has shown a willingness to either embrace or buck the establishment when it is actually logical to do so.

Sometimes the party stumbles onto the truth.  Stopped clock, and all that.

8

If the incompetent fools at the NRSC stays out and lets things play their course, then I am OK with this one, since O'Donnell would get crushed in a general election.

....

But if Castle fucks up and goes full bore RINO and votes for cap&tax, against repeal of Obamacare, pro taxes, and pro Obama judges, then fuck them all. Many of us have been wounded too many times, and won't put up with the "leaders" in the not Obama crowd much longer to just take it anymore

 

9
Sometimes the party stumbles onto the truth.  Stopped clock, and all that.

Why the antipathy for the tea partiers? Seriously.

10 No antipathy.  But I can't say I consider myself one.  Sympathetic, most of the time, yes.  And sometimes I disagree, as with O'Donnell.

And it ain't like I don't criticize the party.  I've done way more of that.

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Eddie Bear... you've really got to man up and quit sugar coating it every time.  I mean, come on!  The soft sell isn't working.

You're right on.  Fuck them, Fuck their idiocy, Fuck their moderation, Fuck their arrogance, Fuck their "we've got to be bipartisan" dildo-from-hell-in-my-rectum, Fuck their inane platitudes about civility.

 

I T  I S  F U C K I N G  W A R!! And, the sooner these douchenozzle felchers of boyscouts get the message, the sooner we can take back our country.

2

How many examples?

I'm thinking they might need one involving tar and feathers since they haven't learned from losing two elections, a bunch of tea party events, losing primaries and people not sending in money.

But then, I'm kind of a jerk.

3

true. But listening to some of the RNC shills, it's our fault for being too demanding. We should know our place, and calling out our "betters" is bad.

/sarc

4 The GOP establishment is not about anything but perpetuation of their own power.  They're part of the problem and not the solution.  Thus, these 'lessons' are lost on them and they will continue to fight the grass roots conservative movement until they're forcibly removed.

5

Can we still use the tar and feathers HD?

6 I believe tarring and feathering qualifies as forcible removal (especially combined with being run out of town on a rail).  I was thinking more along the lines of the ballot box, but whatever gets the job done.

7 I can't wait to see the lost puppy dog look on Mitch McConnell's face when all his inner sanctum buddies are gone. He'll probably turn to Cornyn for comfort.

8 I also have to wonder if their upcoming lobbying careers are going to be as lucrative.
In the past you had all the "my good friend" stuff when the critters retired.

Now? They're being replaced by people who ran pretty much calling them corrupt, insider, money-ticks.

So those ticks are going to have to try convince their replacements to let them get a little more of that sweet, sweet taxpayer money.

Hmmm, that's funny and non-endy.
Now I'm scared.
 

9

I'm thinking they might need one involving tar and feathers ...

You need to move on, Veesh'.

...I'm already to solutions ecompassing solitudinous aging gnarly oak trees with strong limbs, 3/8 inch sisal rope, simple (but effective) slip knots, and a smack to the rump of a tall horse with an urge to bolt.

...frontier justice.

10 Well folks, you got what you voted for.  Don't blame the fuckwads if they are fuckwads.  Somebody elected these slime bags, and somebody keeps electing them.  Quit complaining and find somebody conservative to run against them when they come up for election again.  And no more of this crap about these RINO's being as conservative as we can get in New England. Screw New England.

11 You missed the memo TimothyJ.

Now we're bitching because the GOP establishment keeps trying to screw the new conservative candidates in Red states.
You know, like Miller for instance.
And torpedoing Toomey in PA.
Twice!
The Dede Scozzofava debacle in NY.

12 the NRSC meddling (again) in a primary was bad enough. But when they sent lawyers up to help Murky, that became my Rubicon with them.

Davis: please no violence. Just electoral defeat and humiliation.

13 As a member of the senate Murkowski is entitled to that help.  That's part of what the NRSC exists for.  Assume Miller wins and during the next election cycle he is challenged by someone like Arlen Spector and it is as close an election as this one.  Would you want the NRSC to sit on the sidelines or send the lawyer that Miller would be entitled to?

14 Sit on the sidelines.
That's the whole point. They promised not to get involved in contested primaries.
Let Teh Peepul figure it out without bringing in Caveman Lawyer.


I don't know about anybody else, but I'm pissed off at the system, not just who's in charge of it.

15 I don't remember them promising not to get involved in contested primaries but if you say they did I'll take your word for it.  I'm sorry I just refuse to get upset about someone availing themselves of a service that they contracted / paid for.

16 I know this is from last year, and from Politico, but this is what Cornyn said, especially as it reflected upon Florida:

"As far as what's happening in specifically Florida -- we made a decision to endorse Gov. Crist at his request{what's that tell you on both sides?-ed}. But we'e really not involved in the primary," {ahem-ed}Cornyn told Manu. "That's up to the voters in Florida."

And this:

"Our job is to elect Republicans so voters in Florida will have a chance to sort that out {and they did by rejecting your guy-ed}."

And this:

"We will not spend money in a contested primary... There's no incentive for us to weigh in... We have to look at our resources. . . . We're not going to throw money into a (primary) race leading up to the election {ahem again-ed}."

Look, that last bit could be parsed, especially as it relates/related to other races, but sending lawyers/consultants up to AK to help the Murkowski recount effort (lawyers and consultants who I am sure do not work for free, hence requiring money to be thrown at them) , along with their earlier campaign advice on going negative against Miller, in a primary comes as close as can get to the NRSC/GOP Machine meddling in a primary.